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this is another episode of UFO karai I'm

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Ben and I'm Joe and this is where we

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talk about UFOs aliens and all things

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weird

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yeah dude hmm so it's gonna be a pretty

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good episode today it's gonna be a

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scorcher yeah it's hot we've got mr.

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Terry Lovelace coming on with us today

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and that's gonna be exciting I'm pretty

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excited to hear the stories man I mean

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it's it's been one of my favorite

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stories so far yeah you know I really

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just kind of looking into this stuff I

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mean you definitely have the classics

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but out of the new stuff that's kind of

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come out lately

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Terry Lovelace his story is pretty

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awesome dude it's my new favorite story

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there's so much to it and like we didn't

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even go through the whole thing right

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right I don't know if we're talking

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about like before we started yeah

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whatever

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we already recorded it we're doing the

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intro afterwards so yeah so I'm excited

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about that and we also had a little fun

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earlier today yeah we did we did a we

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did a wife episode with out with our

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wives so that'll be coming out too so

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you guys you guys stay tuned for that

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yeah that'll be interesting that's gonna

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be fun yeah man but uh what have we got

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on the Facebook for today man yeah dude

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if you guys want to join the group look

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on Facebook for UFO garage podcast group

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and join the conversation everybody's

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you know talking about their experiences

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or posting funny stuff or you know FBI

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drones that look like insects things

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like that everybody's doing it yeah

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everyone's doing just come on oh cool

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kids come on all right so the first post

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Joseph the CIA had insect drones in the

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1970s so what do they have today and it

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looks like this Laura and it looks like

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a dragonfly looks pretty sick and then

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in the 70s they had had these things

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that's small retroreflectors tiny glass

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beads that reflect laser light back and

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source the CIA was able to analyze the

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beam vibration and glass and recreate

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the vibrations that disturbed it

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yeah so what do they have now nanobots

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nanobots yeah dude we got we need to

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make that movie we do that's how they do

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it man they used to have bugs now they

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have nanobots yeah and they put the

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nanobots in our medicine and they spray

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it particulates in the air right and

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then they we ingest them and then they

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know everything about us through the

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nanobots that we have ingested

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unknowingly right and without consent

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right and pretty soon we're gonna get

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we're gonna get ads being like hey yeah

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nah rain have you had bad gas lately try

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this product that's pretty much what's

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gonna happen yep it's gonna link to your

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Google account yeah yeah I mean yeah

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nanobots it may have some kind of

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connection to the corona virus who knows

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I don't know I don't know man

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viruses viruses all right also also

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antibacterial soap kills bacteria and

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not viruses so if you're just washing

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your hands with Purell that's not enough

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you should just wash your hands yeah

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definitely okay it's okay

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it kills like a lot of the good bacteria

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as well right which is kind of like you

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know and maybe and productive maybe

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people who even washing their hands too

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much and that's why we're in this

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predicament we are in the first place

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maybe that's what it is so stop washing

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your hands that's right that's right

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he's like he's like you know when I wash

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my hands when I [\h__\h] on them he's like

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maybe a little more frequently during

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holidays you know but other than that

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you know he's like why do people washing

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their hands all the time that's awesome

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Dan Carlin he's a good guy

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George Carlin George Carlin and Carlin

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yeah he's the hardcore history Coahoma

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said dan Carlin - is that gonna go if

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you haven't checked out Dan Carlin check

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out Dan yes because his stuff is awesome

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Mongolian series about the steppe people

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Khan as he pronounced it but yeah great

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stuff okay what's the next post Dakota

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it looks like we have some some

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illustrations of her experience Dakota

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has been abducted she has lots of notes

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illustrations I want to know more man I

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want to know more as well looks like she

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she had a breakthrough from the last

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time we talked about her and looks like

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she has a little more notes yeah yeah

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that'd be interesting got to get her on

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the podcast that's awesome

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looks like this illustration says

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examination table on their UFO ship

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instead of some day all right what's

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next oh the next post is a it's a phone

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seat on my way to a trade area 51 guys

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it's so good good post will quit him

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that's great that's the next post this

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oh this makeup artist Joseph posted

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there yeah that was pretty cool haven't

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seen this one she starts out with a

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just from observation she needs to find

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a new bra as you can see the marks under

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her boobs and that's not safe

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younger ladies your boob or your bra's

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too tight that's right and and and

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honestly it apparently science has shown

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that not wearing a bra is actually

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healthier for you you know so burn your

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bra ladies bernal yeah

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we're total feminist that's us that's us

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dude we're feminist through through I

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don't even think like I'll think we can

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claim that cuz like no joke even even

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know anything about feminism but you

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know like be nice right yeah just be

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just be a good human that's right yeah

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that's right but yeah in her case maybe

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maybe get a new one yeah that's a cool

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little guy I like that a little alien

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that's cool I'll get back all right

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Oh lizard people my new wrong snake

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people I like it yeah did you watch this

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one I caught it just a little bit that

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dude smells his own farts for sure right

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look at this guy dude I think that said

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okay guys comedian that was pretty good

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dude bro that's too much that's too much

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flex he's flexing on I don't even

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understand I don't like it snake people

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all right what's the next post uh Steven

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this one I haven't seen known yet

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nice one she ticky click okay we got to

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do Twitter but we apparently we have to

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get on Twitter yeah I know me either I

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don't know how to [\h__\h] this is gonna

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stereo a NASA camera which films the Sun

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the screen the unidentified object

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side okay the left side is Mercury and

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voltage anomaly I'm still unsure what

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right here is the UFO you see how all

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the energy is going around it all right

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oh and then it kind of shot something

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what's all the like the wind slash of

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water that looks like it's good it's the

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the Sun radiation Oh God coming off the

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looks like a big tic-tac Bennett yeah

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that's cool interesting yeah that's

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top six oh yeah that t-shirt from Sonny

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nice alright so let's see what that

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what's the next post here latest UFO

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sighting UFO chases jet I think we did

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this one on the last uh oh we did yeah

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believe so okay keep oh I've seen this

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floating around so let's see

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and it's it's it's book of predictions

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that somebody put together and the

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prediction is in around 2020 a severe

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pneumonia like illness will spread

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all known treatments almost more

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baffling than the illness itself will be

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the fact that it will suddenly vanish as

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attack again then Oh attack again ten

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so yeah yeah pretty soon yeah cool I

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mean it's pretty close it's pretty close

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I don't know a lot about sicknesses and

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stuff right yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna get

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on this dude this uh take an audio book

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and ambush ambush yeah that's pretty

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Phillips post about ambush listen to on

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audible okay chapter 46 dude you really

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hell yeah oh yeah nine minutes and 51

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something though that you could just

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throw on listen to all day yeah that's

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something up yeah

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all day at work whatever whenever we're

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done then you throw on ambush yeah so it

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says reminds of reminds them of the

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baubles our story although it's fiction

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so cool what's next oh hell yeah I did

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an expose from sunny is this uh-huh this

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[\h__\h] and balls in this guy it's like a

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kite I love it like there are posts from

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everybody in the group is like some are

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very serious and like hey check this out

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and so I mean that's our that's our

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humor though I love it

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yeah it's very mixed you gotta throw

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some some humor in there every now yeah

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like we go through some Facebook stuff

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it like the first post is a dick and

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balls yeah that's great yeah that's

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great I like how it the title or the

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quote is uh it's like the bat signal for

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your mob

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that's even better oh yeah that's

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amazing yeah dude

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well that's uh that's it for the the

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Facebook stuff man was pretty pretty

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quick and easy pretty simple yeah um I I

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guess maybe we should get into this

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Terry Lovelace nice man what do you

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think let's do this alright guys so we

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have got mr. Terry Lovelace with us

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today and I'm extremely excited about

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this Terry I've I have heard your story

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a couple times and I'm I'm about halfway

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through your book now and your book is

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awesome incident at Devil's Den man it's

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probably one of my favorite reads you

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know in a while to be honest with you so

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I'm super glad that you were here so I

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guess for everybody who is kind of new

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to you and to all this stuff kind of

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just say hi to everybody and tell them

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what you're about man yeah hi everyone

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glad to be here Ben and show her the

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best yeah my name is Terry lovely I'm 65

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year old retired lawyer I'm a former

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assistant attorney general for the US

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territories of American Samoa and a

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former state's attorney for the state of

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Vermont but I'm retired yeah but that's

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why that's why I published incident it

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bevels done had I published that during

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my legal career it would not have gone

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well

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yeah we're hold Joe's holding up the

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book right now so yeah I mean I can only

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imagine in that line of work

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this topic is often kind of shunned in a

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way so I I sympathize yeah you know it

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is and it's a shame that there are a

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couple professions like that you know

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academia is another one I got a friend

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who's a history professor who is really

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truly a psychic medium and we do you

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know Huey he's been a psychic medium all

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his life but he waited until he was 62

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to write a book

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go public about keep up you know he is a

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history professor he thought he was

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going to get fired you know they they

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ended up giving them a telling him to

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write the curriculum and now he teaches

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a paranormal class at Citrus College

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huland or California oh that's awesome

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Amos back to brew Solheim all right on

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we have to look him up today I'm gonna

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have to take his course yeah seriously

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that's pretty awesome yeah it is kind of

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a bummer man that in in certain fields

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you know when you talk about this

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subject it's like an automatic dismissal

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of you as a person your character

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everything about you and all the hard

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work you put in to become that person

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and that's that's a real bummer for sure

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yeah yeah you know but I think times

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were changing I mean I look at how many

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people with 10 conferences and you know

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I just I just got into this in 2018 so

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I'm only 2 years next month

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I've been into this and you know my I'm

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really happy my book today received its

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300th review Oh huh awesome so I'm

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delighted about that 4.6 stars out of 5

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Oh congratulations man that's that's a

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huge achievement dang that's awesome

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yeah it's a it's a great book man like I

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said I'm about halfway through it but

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man this has been one of my favorite

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reads that I've done so far you know and

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dealing with this stuff I mean we read

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stuff all the time right and Men you do

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such a good job you know in the writing

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with with the book and just how I think

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one of my favorite parts is is just the

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way you're able to convey what it's like

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to be a child having an experience and

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not being able to explain it to anybody

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you know like that really kind of brings

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you back to your childhood and like

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maybe some experiences maybe you know

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we've had personally as ourselves on

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like ah you know I never thought about

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it because it's always chalked off to

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just being an overactive imagination

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right but you know as a child there's no

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reason that a

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I'll can't experience something as well

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absolutely you know I I didn't discount

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anything my children said you know I I

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uh I was eight years old like four saw a

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UFO I saw a flying saucer my backyard

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and I told my parents and they they they

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they were wigged out they were like you

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know Terry I don't know what you saw but

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I tell you you did not see a flying

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saucer

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and you know it was the 1960s it was a

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different time you know and they're like

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look you can't tell people that don't

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think there's something wrong with you

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ya think there's wrong with us all right

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Oh bad reflection on the family so but

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yeah times we're changing for the better

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yeah yeah man I could only imagine I I

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think one of the the things that like

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I've taken from the book so far as you

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know when you're talking about the

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monkeys in the room right yeah man that

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that's gotta be an insane experience and

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then you know that happening you know

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your your parents not understand what's

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going on and then all of a sudden it's

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like oh well now I saw this this UFO in

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the backyard you know I do have thrown

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them for a loop for sure you know yeah

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yeah that's what's that I hate speak oh

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yeah I said if you'd like it I'd like to

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share with you guys and share with your

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audience you know what happened to me

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and how I got here and why I wrote the

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book yeah absolutely we drive that we'd

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love that yeah you know in 2012 I

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retired early I retired in January of

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2012 in the state of Vermont and about

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10 months later I'm living in Dallas now

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and I got up one morning and I couldn't

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bear weight on my right leg

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so I went to the hospital to get an

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x-ray and I get on the x-ray table and

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the x-ray tech takes a shot or a couple

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shots and comes out it looks perplexed

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and repeats it and then she asked me she

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says have you been in it up automobile

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accident

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shrapnel wound or something that could

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account for a piece of metal in your leg

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and right now you know I've never

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injured this like you know there's

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skinned knee when I was a kid and she

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says well you got some strange stuff

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going on in your leg

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Wow and I said can I see and she said

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well I called the radiologist down he's

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going to come downhill he'll talk to you

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about it so radiologist comes down and

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he pops these two films up on the view

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box and above my knee and to the right

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there's what looks like it's just about

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the size of a fingernail it's perfectly

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square with two wires coming out of it

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we've seen that photo and it is very

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interesting yeah and you know he says I

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don't know what this is but this is a

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manufactured item this isn't a naturally

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occurring in your body and he said you

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know to get this object deep in your leg

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and into your fashio they had to breach

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the integrity of your skin with them

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with an incision and he says you're

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going to have a scar right there I'm

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like doctor I don't I don't have any

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scars and he insisted I had to have and

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examine my leg and was really really

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perplexed when he could not find a scar

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yes no entry no signs of an incision or

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anything like that

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you know right you know I asked him I

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said doctor how often is it that you

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find a foreign object under the body at

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this depth without there being a

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corresponding scar right and he said

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never been a radiologist 23 years I've

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never seen this before you know you got

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some stuff going on below your knee too

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and he popped the other one end and

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there's an arrangement of what looks

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like marbles or tic-tacs

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they're small they're int but they're

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arranged in a like a floral pattern or

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example yeah with a little dot in the

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middle and he says you know on x-ray

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film these are about the consistency of

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bone tissue but he says you know I've

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never seen bones issues just sprout in

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the middle of a muscle yes less

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arranged itself in a symmetrical form he

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says I have no idea what this is

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Wow is then on the back of your calf

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kind of yeah yeah a calf muscle is still

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there there was a guy there that was

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testing for implants right yeah yeah

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yeah did you did you check that guy out

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yeah yeah UFO Khan I did I I stopped and

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he used some kind of instrument and he

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says the your calf muscles your right

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leg is highly highly magnetic Wow

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interesting

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okay yeah so I mean obviously you

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already knew this that there was

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something weird going on so it kind of

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confirmed number one with the with your

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doctor but also you knowing these

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foreign objects were there but you had a

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third party confirmed that there's

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definitely something in your leg not

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only is it just not a part of your body

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but it's magnetic yeah that's strange

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well you know I I really had no desire

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to write a book or interest in speaking

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about this stuff you know I had resigned

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myself that you know I have the PTSD

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from 1977 but you know I was resigned to

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live with that but something about

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seeing those x-rays just just really

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just really was like a wake-up call it

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was like I had I had to face the fact

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that these things put their hands on me

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you know and that was that was hard to

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process right and that's when I became

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determined I was going to write about it

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and speak about it and that's been a

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good thing you know it was crazy as I

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was a runner for four years and every

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time I do a run you know I didn't run

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marathons but I'd run four or five miles

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every day but I ran bout everyday and

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it's a two-mile mark in my run I mean

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give or take 50 yards there was a spot

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on my on my right leg by the knee just

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above the knee and lateral that would go

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completely numb and it was

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it was a perfect circle I could take a

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pen and delineate the edges of it

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it was perfectly round and it would stay

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down you know like like a dentist shot

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of Novocain in your mouth it would stain

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them for about 30 minutes and then we're

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off and I asked my doctor about it and

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she says it sounds like some kind of

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hymns the aesthetic reaction she called

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it she said you know it's probably

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nothing to worry about

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so I did and that was 1980 but then when

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I saw that history when I saw that x-ray

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I realized that this thing that looks

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like a computer chip lays right

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underneath that spot that would go numb

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when I ran so that that you know told me

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that that's been with me since at least

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1979 yeah right

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probably 1977 when when Toby and I were

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you know were abducted so I want to hear

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I would love to hear about that story if

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you want to tell it

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so the abduction story I was gonna ask

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how did this all start do you I mean I

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Jo's read some of the book and I've

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heard a little bit about your story but

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I'd love to hear it from your in your

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words sure sure ah here's what happened

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I was when I got out of high school I

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joined the military I joined the Air

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Force and I was active duty from 1973 to

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1979 for six years and I was trained as

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a medic and an EMT and I worked in the

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emergency room at Whiteman Air Force

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Base which is just east of Kansas City

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and it was in a remote area back then it

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was a sac base with b-52s and Minutemen

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- ICBM missiles scattered out of them in

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the soybean fields now it's the home to

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the b-2 bombers that's where they're

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located yeah but the base is still there

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so we work nights in the emergency room

537
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:40,510
driving an ambulance from 11 to 7th or

538
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,810
whatever whatever came up and we're

539
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:46,000
working tonight and my buddy says you

540
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:47,470
know about two o'clock in the morning he

541
00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:50,460
says hey I got an idea let's go camping

542
00:25:54,570 --> 00:25:53,800
and I'm like are you nuts man you know

543
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:54,580
we're

544
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,470
city kids Toby I mean I had never been

545
00:26:00,120 --> 00:25:58,480
camping in my life I grew up in st.

546
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:00,130
Louis Missouri he grew up in Flint

547
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:02,769
Michigan and I'm like you know what do

548
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:06,250
we know about campus I've never given it

549
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:09,370
a 5 and he says no no think about it

550
00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:11,140
would be cool you know because I I just

551
00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:14,620
bought a new camera with some lenses and

552
00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:16,149
I want to Diana and I had a little

553
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:18,220
black-and-white darkroom set up in my

554
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:19,809
house so I could develop black-and-white

555
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:23,289
prints but unfortunately both of us

556
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:26,980
lived on base in NCO housing and when

557
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:28,510
you live on a nuclear base they're just

558
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:29,830
hidden a whole lot you can go out and

559
00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:35,080
photograph right illegally so you know

560
00:26:41,789 --> 00:26:37,059
he made a good point we'd make this trip

561
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:41,799
down to Devil's Den State Park and find

562
00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,929
it a piece of high ground not seeing a

563
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:45,429
campground but find a piece of high

564
00:26:54,919 --> 00:26:49,690
ground and see he was an amateur

565
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:54,929
astronomer and a math wizard he was and

566
00:26:59,970 --> 00:26:57,309
he wanted to go to University of

567
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,980
Michigan studying physics for undergrad

568
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:02,320
and then get you know to graduate

569
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,240
working and astronomy or cosmology and I

570
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:08,080
wanted to go to University of Michigan

571
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:10,029
to go to law school which I ultimately

572
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:14,289
did so he both had big plans but this

573
00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:15,250
guy you know

574
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:18,279
I I wish I could have asked him back in

575
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:20,049
the day where did this obsession with

576
00:27:24,629 --> 00:27:22,690
the sky khon fall yeah because he was

577
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:24,639
obsessed with the night sky I mean he

578
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:26,710
could point out the constellations and

579
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,450
tell me when satellites were gonna come

580
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:31,120
over and stuff it was amazing

581
00:27:37,019 --> 00:27:35,049
was he this good guy so that was thin

582
00:27:38,879 --> 00:27:37,029
state partners a little over six hours

583
00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:38,889
drive south Whiteman Air Force Base

584
00:27:45,779 --> 00:27:42,340
depending on how fast you drive and we

585
00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:45,789
piled in my old Chevy and you know we've

586
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:47,380
never been camping but you know it ain't

587
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:49,870
rocket science yeah

588
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:51,610
you just make a fire and you know sit up

589
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:54,010
on the ground yeah you know we were I

590
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:55,570
mean we were a couple of nerds so we

591
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:57,940
went about it you know the Nerds way and

592
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:00,010
you know we made it less within a

593
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,880
library look for camping so yeah so we

594
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:08,080
got a little tips and there

595
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:11,289
mrs. swipe some blankets from the

596
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:14,200
hospital and military strength eat

597
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:18,039
military strength sunscreen and a cooler

598
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:20,860
full of hot dogs one six-pack of beer

599
00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:27,580
and only one chips one of us with the

600
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:31,590
drinkers you know guys enough for us so

601
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:36,730
we made the trip down and we found well

602
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,640
first of all we died - Park Rangers and

603
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,919
we took a blacktop road that became a

604
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:44,320
gravel road that became a dirt road and

605
00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:46,690
then there was a chain across the world

606
00:28:51,539 --> 00:28:49,240
I'll post on either side of the road and

607
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:51,549
a chain stretched across and with a sign

608
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:53,409
that said you know no admittance know

609
00:28:58,379 --> 00:28:55,059
hiking no camping or fishing or hunting

610
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,389
you know no trespassing you know just a

611
00:29:04,019 --> 00:29:01,600
stern warning and I said ah man I guess

612
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:04,029
we got to find another another way cuz

613
00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:05,830
we could see there was a hill yeah you

614
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,980
know incline it we wanted to go camp on

615
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:11,679
top of and my buddy says no wait a

616
00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:15,630
minute and he hops out of the car and

617
00:29:20,639 --> 00:29:19,269
chain across the road had a padlock on

618
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:20,649
what they've done is they just locked

619
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:22,870
the chain on itself to make like a loop

620
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,330
or a news I just draped it over the post

621
00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:28,480
right so he gets up picks this up and

622
00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:31,720
lets it drop to the ground at home and

623
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:35,080
boom we're in you know you know the only

624
00:29:40,289 --> 00:29:36,700
mistake we made it from sure to put the

625
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:40,299
chain back up I'll explain that there

626
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:45,250
and okay so we drove and my friend he

627
00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:46,809
really did have an unerring sense of

628
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:48,220
direction I mean he's one of these guys

629
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:50,710
you know you could spin him around and

630
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,820
he would take a minute and tell you

631
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:52,720
which way is north

632
00:29:59,399 --> 00:29:55,000
I mean you know he could never get lost

633
00:30:01,620 --> 00:29:59,409
it's awesome and he he guided me up this

634
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:01,630
incline you know make her right here

635
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:04,840
make a left there and we ended up we

636
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:08,620
crested this hill and we were in this

637
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:11,380
big open metal and it was just gorgeous

638
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,960
it was beautiful it when you don't grasp

639
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:16,720
a little less than be high and some late

640
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:21,039
blooming wildflowers and you know we had

641
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:21,880
the

642
00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:25,000
we were on up like a plateau with a nice

643
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:26,800
view of the forest you know all around

644
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:27,700
us

645
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:32,350
photography you know he could he could

646
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:33,820
watch the night sky without light

647
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:37,030
pollution and there's perfect place to

648
00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:38,740
camp that sounds awesome he set up her

649
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:40,540
you know I think I sent you guys

650
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:43,720
pictures the place where we stayed yeah

651
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,570
I thought I thought you know I didn't

652
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:48,720
look it up on Google Earth or even try

653
00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:51,070
you know that place has got to be

654
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:52,900
covered with 40 year old mathura trees

655
00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:55,060
by now huh well it's like a it's like a

656
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:56,800
clearing from the photos that you sent

657
00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:00,880
us it's it's like a clearing yeah and I

658
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:06,160
had a guy off my Facebook page

659
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:08,050
I got an incident at Devil's Den

660
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:09,940
Facebook page

661
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:13,210
a guy from Alabama was a landscaper sent

662
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:14,830
me a message and said you know hey I do

663
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:16,450
this for a living I can tell you I can

664
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:18,180
see tractor marks

665
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:21,100
he says that's cut that field is cut oh

666
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:24,010
yeah it looks yeah sure does even from

667
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:26,140
the Google map photo that you sent us it

668
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:27,880
does look like there's some some type of

669
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:32,320
tracks yeah so you know it's and there's

670
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:34,270
no paved road it's just it's just got to

671
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:35,710
be a tractor it's just that that two

672
00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:39,310
dirt road that dirt road is still there

673
00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:41,380
there are some buildings there now that

674
00:31:46,110 --> 00:31:44,350
weren't there you know back in 1977 it

675
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:46,120
was way out in the wilderness done Oh

676
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:48,730
interesting often but you know I found

677
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:51,280
out that it is actually that land is

678
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:53,290
actually not part of Devil's Den State

679
00:31:59,270 --> 00:31:56,530
Park it's actually under the beer it's

680
00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:59,280
owned by the federal government and

681
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:01,450
managed by the Bureau of Land Management

682
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:05,920
whoa so just just that small little area

683
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:08,700
or their areas surrounding it as well

684
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:11,800
some of the area surrounding it but it's

685
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:13,810
pretty much carved out to be around that

686
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,940
place if you go to Google Earth it'll

687
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:18,580
show you the yellow the yellow

688
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:22,270
property lines right right but it's

689
00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:25,150
carved out of Devil's Den Wow

690
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:27,820
and it is an it is federal land and it

691
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:30,010
an entry to there is restricted to this

692
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,400
day Wow it makes me wonder why would the

693
00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:34,240
federal government

694
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:37,869
you know burn gas for 40 years to cut at

695
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:40,809
the top of a plateau you know yeah in

696
00:32:46,409 --> 00:32:41,950
the middle of a horse

697
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:46,419
sorry fishy about that yeah so well back

698
00:32:54,509 --> 00:32:50,190
to us I mean wheezes for June of 1977

699
00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:54,519
and we set up our tent and you know get

700
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,100
out our air mattresses and you know you

701
00:33:01,169 --> 00:32:58,720
did we did all the fun stuff you do when

702
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,179
you can't buy and unit built a big

703
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:03,960
bonfire and burn some hot dogs you know

704
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:06,970
had a beer apiece and we're kicked back

705
00:33:11,869 --> 00:33:09,700
on these air mattresses and I remember

706
00:33:14,489 --> 00:33:11,879
saying to my friend I said you know I

707
00:33:16,169 --> 00:33:14,499
can see the allure of this I can see why

708
00:33:19,409 --> 00:33:16,179
people like this this is pretty cool

709
00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:19,419
yeah and you know I asked a glutton so

710
00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:21,429
yeah I told you you know this this is

711
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:24,639
this is nice and it was nice and we're

712
00:33:30,029 --> 00:33:27,940
talking and we're just uh you know just

713
00:33:33,149 --> 00:33:30,039
talking in there came a lull in our

714
00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:33,159
conversation and we kind of both got

715
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:36,700
quiet and I noticed that just like 15

716
00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:38,289
minutes earlier and this sounds so

717
00:33:41,639 --> 00:33:40,029
cliche I mean it's like it's like

718
00:33:44,369 --> 00:33:41,649
straight out of a movie but I swear to

719
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:44,379
God that it's true that the crickets are

720
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,809
the tree frogs all the noise of the

721
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:47,440
forest

722
00:33:53,129 --> 00:33:50,710
it's that mm-hmm then it was absolutely

723
00:33:55,129 --> 00:33:53,139
except for the crackling of our fire it

724
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,139
was dead silent Wow

725
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,559
and even the breeze that we'd enjoyed

726
00:34:05,249 --> 00:34:01,360
just a little bit earlier had stopped

727
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:05,259
Wow and it was weirdly still and it

728
00:34:12,059 --> 00:34:08,260
unnerved me I was a little good weighed

729
00:34:14,309 --> 00:34:12,069
down by it and I I asked my friend you

730
00:34:18,059 --> 00:34:14,319
know like he'd know you know I have a

731
00:34:20,669 --> 00:34:18,069
nice yeah hey man is this normal you

732
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:20,679
know it just feels really really still

733
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:24,190
out here all of a sudden quiet you know

734
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:25,720
I kind of blows it off and since yeah

735
00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:26,889
well you know we've been laughing at

736
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:28,869
cutting off but you know they'll be back

737
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:30,970
crickets the tree frogs they'll all come

738
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:35,200
back its weight no big deal so but it

739
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:38,770
did it it bothered me had I been there

740
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:40,389
by myself I've been in the car and out

741
00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:41,200
of there

742
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:43,629
right yeah yeah cuz usually I'm nothing

743
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:48,700
like Dan a night you know yeah so I just

744
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:51,669
kicked back and you know we had some

745
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:55,409
more conversation and we're talking and

746
00:35:00,720 --> 00:34:57,970
something gets his attention and he

747
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:00,730
turns his head to the left in

748
00:35:07,069 --> 00:35:03,849
mid-sentence and he asked me he says hey

749
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:07,079
Terry were those lights there before and

750
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:09,310
I'm like what likes what are you talking

751
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:14,109
about man and on the horizon I can lean

752
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:16,150
back and looking back at him and see on

753
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,310
the horizon actually just above the

754
00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:21,040
horizon there were there was a perfect

755
00:35:27,089 --> 00:35:24,280
triangle of three little stars in a

756
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:27,099
tight triangle and they were too far

757
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:29,170
above the horizon to have been lights

758
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:31,420
like from a train or a parking lot or

759
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:35,230
something and they were stationary and

760
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:37,240
we watched them and they didn't move so

761
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:39,730
you and we knew that we didn't have any

762
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:41,230
aircraft that had that kind of light

763
00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:43,540
configuration the key things were static

764
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:47,560
and we're kicking around what this thing

765
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:52,510
could be and then it moves and at first

766
00:35:59,880 --> 00:35:55,030
it will taste like it's on an axis and

767
00:36:02,280 --> 00:35:59,890
does a slow about 3/4 turn ending with

768
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,290
the apex of the triangle pointing up and

769
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:05,680
then it starts it starts to climb into

770
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:09,160
the sky uh-huh and I'll tell you it was

771
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:10,660
a beautiful night I mean there were just

772
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:14,980
a trillion stars up not a cloud in the

773
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:19,540
sky and the Starlight was bright enough

774
00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:21,790
to cast a small shadow that's how bright

775
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:26,369
it was wow that's really cool damn and

776
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:29,380
we could see this thing inside these

777
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:32,650
three lights it was jet black against a

778
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:36,790
blue sky right and as it climbed of

779
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,460
course it went past fields the Stars and

780
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:41,680
they were blank out and then blink back

781
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:44,290
on is it past right so we knew it was

782
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,569
one solid object and that three objects

783
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:49,119
operating in unison right I think I

784
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:50,980
think just for a second I think a lot of

785
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:52,660
people that live in the city don't

786
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:55,060
really that have never seen the nights

787
00:37:00,720 --> 00:36:58,510
and truly like on pollute like polluted

788
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:00,730
place that the sky is actually just this

789
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,010
deep purple and there is a lot of light

790
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:05,200
in the sky even though you know it's

791
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:07,210
just stars so yeah I'm just trying to

792
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:09,250
like I'm visualizing and I've witnessed

793
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:11,830
the stars like that a few times but yeah

794
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:12,910
you would be able to tell the difference

795
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:15,430
between a solid black object and then

796
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:18,310
the night sky like for some people maybe

797
00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:20,110
listening like oh well yeah it was just

798
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:22,870
how could you even tell but you can yeah

799
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:25,060
that's kind of what I was thinking yeah

800
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:27,010
you know it really was my first time

801
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:29,470
camping and my first time looking at the

802
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:31,950
night sky without light pollution and

803
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:33,850
and it wasn't me

804
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:38,290
it was beautiful you know so we know we

805
00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:41,940
watched this thing and it got bigger and

806
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:44,020
you know the points the light always

807
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:46,530
remained exactly distant to one another

808
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:50,920
because it just got larger and it

809
00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:54,750
climbed and hit like an altitude and

810
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:57,120
then started to descent

811
00:38:03,900 --> 00:37:59,790
and that's the first time I noticed I

812
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:03,910
felt this I felt this sense of calm wash

813
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:08,380
over me where I had been you know kind

814
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:10,630
of nervous about you know hope that the

815
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:13,810
silence just you know 20 minutes earlier

816
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:18,340
now I'm watching this thing and my mood

817
00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:21,700
is totally inappropriate I feel almost

818
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:25,390
sedated I mean I'm just short of apathy

819
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:28,960
yeah and we want this thing and the best

820
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:30,700
way I can explain it is I felt more like

821
00:38:36,590 --> 00:38:33,400
an observer than a participant you know

822
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:36,600
it's it was it was a weird sensation

823
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:39,460
yeah as we watched such thing it's

824
00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:43,450
tumbling in the sky and it would go it

825
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:45,640
was kind of cool it would go with the

826
00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:48,550
apex of the triangle go down and come

827
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,920
back around so we see two lights and

828
00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:52,780
then three lights and then see it come

829
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:57,220
swing back up and I remember having the

830
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:58,900
feeling you know this thing's moving

831
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:00,430
with purpose this thing isn't just

832
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,270
tumbling through the sky yeah and I

833
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:06,640
don't know where that came from but and

834
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:08,530
then once it reached the ceiling it

835
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:09,040
started to

836
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:12,070
to send it was pretty obvious it was cut

837
00:39:18,930 --> 00:39:16,420
it was headed in our direction one of

838
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:18,940
these guys down it got bigger and bigger

839
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:22,330
and you know they're very little

840
00:39:26,430 --> 00:39:24,070
conversation between the two of us while

841
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:26,440
we're watching this thing yeah you know

842
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:28,210
my friend make some comment like you

843
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:30,430
know boy it's really moving now or or

844
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:32,350
something like that I don't recall if I

845
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:36,940
even answered him right and we were both

846
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:40,260
in the same that same kind of day's

847
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:45,160
frame of mind and just we're just on

848
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:46,600
these air mattresses launching this

849
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:49,420
thing and the closer it gets the bigger

850
00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:52,300
it gets and we saw it we saw it move

851
00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:55,900
drop low and move across even with the

852
00:40:00,210 --> 00:39:58,060
lights on the apex of the triangle we

853
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:00,220
could still see a shadow on the forest

854
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:05,400
below us whoa Oh a black shadow huh yeah

855
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:10,750
it eventually came to a stop right over

856
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:13,330
the meadow and you can see that metal

857
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:15,490
from the Google Earth photo is kind of

858
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:19,630
triangle shapes yeah yeah it slid it

859
00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:23,320
slid right in there me and we were

860
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:25,420
camping just off to the side by the tree

861
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:29,650
line okay and uh and this thing was huge

862
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:34,360
yeah that's big it was it was like a

863
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:39,100
Walmart yeah and you know to this day I

864
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:41,770
can't understand how how this thing

865
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,670
wasn't seen inside counties yeah or how

866
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:47,680
this thing wasn't seen by the people at

867
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:49,480
the campground so just a couple miles

868
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:52,300
away you recall any noise or anything

869
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:55,720
coming out of it or I mean right at that

870
00:41:02,520 --> 00:40:58,210
time yeah that time it was dead silent

871
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:02,530
now that would change later but like I

872
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:05,350
say the things about 3,000 feet over our

873
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:07,810
heads I've got a saw is a 30 story

874
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:12,730
office building over our head and it's

875
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:15,490
just absolutely enormous and while we're

876
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:18,250
looking at this thing from underneath

877
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:22,300
all we can see underneath is black it's

878
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:22,770
not a

879
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,060
dominated in any way pardon me and there

880
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,520
came a light from the center of this

881
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:31,500
thing right in the middle and in the

882
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:35,610
center and it was it was a solid beam of

883
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:37,590
light it was a kind of like a cylinder

884
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,980
of white light like if you have you ever

885
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:43,440
seen a high-power searchlight cut to fog

886
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:46,410
yeah you can see a column of visible

887
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:50,250
light this was like whoa and it was

888
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:54,090
about six inches in diameter and it just

889
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:57,240
bang popped on and landed squirt a

890
00:42:02,720 --> 00:41:58,850
little of our camp fire

891
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:02,730
and I look at Toby he looks at me and we

892
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:09,030
look at this thing and you know I was I

893
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:13,950
was almost disinterested I mean I'm

894
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,010
watching it but I'm not I'm not reacting

895
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,680
appropriately I mean you know we should

896
00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:21,480
have been in the car and with the tire

897
00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:25,080
screaming and getting hot and you said

898
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:26,580
kind of felt like an observer rather

899
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:28,770
than a participant like yeah it's yeah

900
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:31,650
interesting we're both you know almost

901
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:34,950
sedated kickback watching this thing and

902
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,750
that that light stayed on in the middle

903
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:38,700
of the campfire for about a minute and

904
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:41,510
then you know boom turned off again and

905
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:44,690
then immediately after that there came

906
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:47,610
like a laser about the diameter of a

907
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:51,180
pencil kind of a bluish purple it came

908
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:53,400
from the same place dead center of the

909
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:57,060
craft over our heads and this light or

910
00:43:02,120 --> 00:42:59,490
laser and you know lasers were kind of

911
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:02,130
new in 1977 I've seen them on television

912
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:04,260
but I've never seen one for real right

913
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:07,410
and you know this laser would land in

914
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:09,930
the middle of our campground and stay in

915
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,090
a spot for like 1/10 of a second and

916
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:14,400
then reappear somewhere else

917
00:43:20,810 --> 00:43:17,430
whoa so it would dance around you know

918
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,820
all over the camp ground like ten times

919
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:22,740
a second it would be here in an air and

920
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:25,230
then here and there and you know I had

921
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,300
the feeling I'm like man this thing is

922
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:29,400
scanning us I mean it's checking us out

923
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:32,820
so it sounds to nimma trees and you know

924
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:34,770
the light struck me in the chest a

925
00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:37,170
couple of times I didn't feel any

926
00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:41,070
I know that the the light hit my my

927
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:43,470
friend they hit her car my car hit the

928
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,170
tents and I just kind of hit the whole

929
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:48,540
campground and that lasted for about

930
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:51,450
three minutes and then just like you

931
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:53,250
ever might like someone flipped the

932
00:44:02,570 --> 00:43:57,930
switch it's off and we're sitting there

933
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:02,580
and it's still silent and I suddenly

934
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:06,990
felt like so tired I mean I thought not

935
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,050
tired but sleepy all I wanted to do is

936
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:13,260
sleep and that's that's very unusual I

937
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:15,030
mean we had been working the night shift

938
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,310
for years I mean this the night was ours

939
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:20,640
I mean yeah like I should have bothered

940
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,510
you the way that it did yeah no no you

941
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:26,760
know we were 22 years old we were you

942
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:30,780
know healthiest I've ever been and you

943
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:32,220
know I shouldn't have been sleepy it

944
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:33,480
just makes no sense

945
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:37,320
yeah my my friend said I guess show's

946
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:41,010
over picked up picked up his air

947
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:43,470
mattress and his blanket and threw it

948
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,840
inside the tent and fell on top of it

949
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:48,720
and I followed suit I was right after

950
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:52,440
them and I threw meinem on the opposite

951
00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:55,530
side and fell on top of it and I

952
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,270
remember I didn't I didn't take the time

953
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:59,520
to take my boots off or my shirt off or

954
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:01,260
anything I just fell in a Sarah mattress

955
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,790
and boom I was out wow I mean yeah I

956
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:11,760
mean I was just absolutely unconscious I

957
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:15,660
had four hours or so passed you know I

958
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:19,170
had no dreams no nothing just black and

959
00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:22,410
yeah that's really crazy because because

960
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:24,120
you know we hear like all these

961
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:26,040
different like abduct abduction

962
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:28,590
experiences and things like that and and

963
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:30,990
one of the common themes that seems to

964
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:33,750
come up is either when they're put back

965
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,810
or after the experience like they end up

966
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,760
going straight to sleep like almost I

967
00:45:47,470 --> 00:45:41,220
get it just makes them tired for some

968
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:47,480
reason yeah you know it's true I mean I

969
00:45:51,859 --> 00:45:50,460
think that they can control us

970
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,869
I mean if they want to I think they can

971
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,720
yeah or send out some kind of vibration

972
00:46:02,000 --> 00:45:57,839
or frequency that makes you feel calm or

973
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:02,010
or sleepy or gets those those chemicals

974
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,050
going in your brain somehow they're able

975
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,180
to I mean yak that is in a sense

976
00:46:09,859 --> 00:46:08,160
controlling but really trying to think

977
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,869
of the science behind it yeah it's not

978
00:46:13,820 --> 00:46:12,180
even like it almost like cuts into

979
00:46:16,579 --> 00:46:13,830
Oakland or something yeah yeah

980
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:16,589
absolutely it just takes out the normal

981
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:19,770
reaction you know seeing this thing and

982
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,990
seeing the lights and then seeing a

983
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,359
laser which is something new that you

984
00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:26,369
know you've only seen on TV before and

985
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:29,720
to have that calm cool collected almost

986
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:32,730
disinterested you know type of mindset

987
00:46:39,790 --> 00:46:36,060
while this is going on is something to

988
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:39,800
be said about the experience for sure

989
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:44,310
yeah yeah yeah well I woke up eventually

990
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:48,540
and that was that was unique because I

991
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:50,310
woke up and I didn't have my wits about

992
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:53,339
me I was and it confused there were

993
00:46:59,810 --> 00:46:57,320
these green and yellow and white lights

994
00:47:02,420 --> 00:46:59,820
flashing them through the canvas of the

995
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,430
tent and these lights were bright when

996
00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:04,260
make slash they light up this tent man

997
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:06,320
like like a ball park at night I mean

998
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:10,140
let's lift this thing up yeah I'm

999
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,910
thinking oh well yeah I remember now

1000
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:14,640
we're camping and I thought this must be

1001
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,470
the overhead flashing lights of Park

1002
00:47:21,859 --> 00:47:18,720
Rangers there to kick us out I thought

1003
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:21,869
they were right and then I heard this

1004
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,470
noise and it was I described it as a

1005
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:28,200
droning noise what it was like is if

1006
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:29,940
you've ever stood next to a big piece of

1007
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:33,030
industrial machinery it's making noise

1008
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,550
the noise is more powerful than it is

1009
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,680
loud you know you can feel it

1010
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:40,260
reverberate in your chest and that's

1011
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:42,330
what this was like but it was a low bass

1012
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,560
slung so and I thought you know park

1013
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:48,300
ranger running a generator in the back

1014
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,800
of a truck that doesn't make sense

1015
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:52,800
either right and then I get to my elbows

1016
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:56,460
and I realize I'm in pain and I looked

1017
00:47:59,570 --> 00:47:58,430
down my boots and my boots are undone

1018
00:48:01,760 --> 00:47:59,580
huh

1019
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,770
and I thought nah how did that happen

1020
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:04,380
and I pour my boots off my sock

1021
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:07,170
around sideways yeah one of the things

1022
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:08,609
they teach you in the military is to

1023
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:12,839
take care of your feet yeah you know I I

1024
00:48:19,009 --> 00:48:15,450
did I would never never have done that

1025
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:19,019
you know I I take the time I put them on

1026
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,000
I put him on correctly lace up my boots

1027
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:23,940
and then once I got that done I turned

1028
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:26,460
my attention to my friend and he's on

1029
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:28,410
his knees and he's peeking out through

1030
00:48:36,289 --> 00:48:34,200
his flap of the tent and in one of these

1031
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:36,299
flashes of white light I can see he's

1032
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:37,980
got tracks of tears running down the

1033
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:42,450
side of his cheek and I'm like whoa and

1034
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:44,910
that that scared me you know when I saw

1035
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:48,450
that that Toby had been crying that

1036
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:50,430
really scared me all of that all of that

1037
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,619
disinterest in borderline apathy I

1038
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:55,619
thought they'll go on oh man kind of a

1039
00:49:02,660 --> 00:48:58,650
wake up I will call genuinely genuinely

1040
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:02,670
afraid and just I didn't know what was

1041
00:49:09,499 --> 00:49:07,410
going on and I asked my friend you know

1042
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:09,509
what is it Toby said Park Rangers what's

1043
00:49:15,259 --> 00:49:13,500
out there and he said something to the

1044
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:15,269
effect of keep your voice down they're

1045
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:15,990
still out there

1046
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:22,079
to my knees and I pull back my flap of

1047
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:24,900
the tent just about an inch so I can't

1048
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:27,210
eat that into this metal because these

1049
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:28,680
lights are still flashing I don't know

1050
00:49:34,759 --> 00:49:32,250
what what to expect and this I noticed

1051
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:34,769
two things that is that this thing that

1052
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:38,329
had been 3,000 feet over our heads just

1053
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:42,960
you know for four hours ago or so had

1054
00:49:49,339 --> 00:49:47,160
now descended and instead of being 3,000

1055
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:49,349
feet over our heads it's now 30 feet

1056
00:49:57,980 --> 00:49:54,240
over the meadow oh right on top of us

1057
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:57,990
and that was the first thing I noticed

1058
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,740
and and the enormity of the thing really

1059
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:04,440
sunk in when it got that low I could see

1060
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:07,319
that this thing was just monster right

1061
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,200
huge and I saw these kids I saw what I

1062
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:15,240
thought were kids like it doesn't maybe

1063
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,119
15 of them walking around

1064
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:20,400
and they're all paired up in twos and

1065
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:22,440
threes I remember I asked my friend I

1066
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:23,220
said hey Toby

1067
00:50:26,539 --> 00:50:24,900
man what the hell are these kids doing

1068
00:50:29,509 --> 00:50:26,549
out here in the middle of nowhere

1069
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:29,519
well in the middle of the night and

1070
00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:31,470
that's when he said Terry man those

1071
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:33,809
ain't no little kids oh look at him

1072
00:50:41,029 --> 00:50:35,700
they're not human they're not human

1073
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:41,039
beings and I looked and he was right

1074
00:50:46,759 --> 00:50:44,609
here's it were not human beings their

1075
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:46,769
heads were disproportionately large I

1076
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:50,450
mean like the typical guys you see on TV

1077
00:50:58,039 --> 00:50:55,369
yeah you know spindly bodies thin limbs

1078
00:51:00,140 --> 00:50:58,049
and they walked with a distinctive gait

1079
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:00,150
they walk like their feet were sore or

1080
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:02,420
something they were almost limping hmm

1081
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:07,220
but they had a real distinctive walk and

1082
00:51:13,579 --> 00:51:10,740
there was a column of white light like

1083
00:51:15,769 --> 00:51:13,589
the one that hit our campfire only this

1084
00:51:18,339 --> 00:51:15,779
one was about maybe 25 feet in diameter

1085
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:18,349
and it was a column perfectly circular

1086
00:51:24,769 --> 00:51:21,240
and it just like somebody flipped the

1087
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:24,779
switch this light came on and as soon as

1088
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:26,819
this light came on all of these little

1089
00:51:33,289 --> 00:51:30,119
guys turned in that direction and headed

1090
00:51:37,009 --> 00:51:33,299
for the light and they were all paired

1091
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,019
up but they were in different places

1092
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:39,660
they all over around the meadow and as

1093
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:42,150
they get to this light they would walk

1094
00:51:49,279 --> 00:51:47,700
in into this beam of light and glow from

1095
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:49,289
the light for just a second and then

1096
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:53,480
just dissolved and they were gone Wow

1097
00:52:03,190 --> 00:51:58,619
and we watch this pretty freaked out we

1098
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:03,200
watch this go on and until the last two

1099
00:52:10,999 --> 00:52:08,099
were gone and then that that column a

1100
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:11,009
white light shut off and that's when I

1101
00:52:18,739 --> 00:52:13,130
noticed that that humming noise too

1102
00:52:22,009 --> 00:52:18,749
abruptly stopped and the the lights on

1103
00:52:25,269 --> 00:52:22,019
the apex on the points of the triangle

1104
00:52:29,059 --> 00:52:25,279
because we could only see two of them

1105
00:52:31,249 --> 00:52:29,069
where they had been green and yellow and

1106
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:31,259
white before they switched to solid

1107
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:31,840
white

1108
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:37,860
hmm and we watched this thing take off

1109
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:40,390
and I mean it didn't take off like out

1110
00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:42,610
like a racket I mean it just it lifted

1111
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:43,780
off like a hot-air balloon

1112
00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:47,830
oh oh yeah it kind of slowly ascending

1113
00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:52,270
lowly deliberately yep straight up and

1114
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:54,430
we watched it until it became three

1115
00:52:58,380 --> 00:52:56,470
little dots of light we watched it till

1116
00:53:02,580 --> 00:52:58,390
it was a single point of light and then

1117
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:02,590
gone Wow so huh I gotta unpack your

1118
00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:03,640
because there's so much that just

1119
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:05,740
happened I'm like the way that you're

1120
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:07,810
telling and I'm visualizing every moment

1121
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:11,680
and it's very vivid so yeah so you're

1122
00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:13,690
you guys are in this meadow and and this

1123
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:18,040
huge Walmart size ship shows up weird

1124
00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:21,130
lights lasers and then you go to sleep

1125
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:23,380
wake up and there's there's a bunch of

1126
00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:25,570
kids walking around and you literally

1127
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:27,940
see them being beamed up like like the

1128
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:32,140
movies you know yeah man I mean so after

1129
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,850
they get beamed up and you're witnessing

1130
00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:36,640
this like how I'm curious like what was

1131
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:38,830
the timeframe of when you notice hey

1132
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:41,740
these are not humans and like did you

1133
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:43,480
guys talk or like you know hit each

1134
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,700
other like are you seeing this - or what

1135
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:47,920
was your we whispered we whispered a

1136
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:50,170
little bit back and forth my friend

1137
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:51,190
actually were starting to hyperventilate

1138
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:54,760
and I I focused for a second on helping

1139
00:54:00,600 --> 00:53:58,690
him slow is breathing down yeah and but

1140
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:00,610
we were afraid to make any noise we were

1141
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:02,200
we were we didn't know if they'd left

1142
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:04,030
somebody out still was somebody was

1143
00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:07,570
still out there or what right and you

1144
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,700
know I never had a clear linear memory

1145
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:11,920
of what happened to us sir and they took

1146
00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:15,460
us but I I just had flashes bits and

1147
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:18,760
pieces right and that's what I've been

1148
00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:20,530
left with it's been you know subject in

1149
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:23,380
my nightmares for 40 years I can't

1150
00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:23,980
imagine

1151
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:26,980
so is it sounds like they were certainly

1152
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:28,690
were searching for something did you get

1153
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:32,320
that sense at all or is this yeah it

1154
00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:33,850
like sounds like there was a lot of a

1155
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:37,540
lot of you know people out there and it

1156
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:39,130
sounds like they're like doing a search

1157
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:42,040
party of some sort you know what I

1158
00:54:47,550 --> 00:54:45,460
didn't get that impression okay

1159
00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:47,560
the impression that they were just kind

1160
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:50,500
of enjoying the scenery walking around I

1161
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:53,260
mean I didn't I didn't see them looking

1162
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:55,390
down or looking at the ground

1163
00:54:59,940 --> 00:54:56,770
I think we're searching for something

1164
00:55:03,420 --> 00:54:59,950
right they were just pairing up and you

1165
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:03,430
know just looking around hey you know

1166
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:05,170
they were enjoying the view as much as

1167
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:10,420
you guys were I guess Wow yeah so the

1168
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:12,940
time that you guys went to sleep - the

1169
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:16,330
time that y'all woke up in and saw these

1170
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:20,230
things were we all taken during that

1171
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:21,940
time where you thought you were sleeping

1172
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:24,730
and then maybe put back and they were

1173
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:28,180
getting ready to leave we were but

1174
00:55:33,210 --> 00:55:30,280
that's exactly in fact exact exactly the

1175
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:33,220
scenario both of our watches we had

1176
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:35,020
lined up watches at the time you know

1177
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:37,810
that's that's what we had mechanical

1178
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:40,150
watches both of our watches had stopped

1179
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:43,030
at 240 Wow Wow

1180
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:45,880
okay we were going somewhere between

1181
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:53,530
four and five hours whoa and you know we

1182
00:55:59,070 --> 00:55:55,690
were so scared at this point we watched

1183
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,080
this thing take off and I mean I know

1184
00:56:05,099 --> 00:56:01,200
it's just a piece of canvas over my head

1185
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:05,109
but I felt like I had cover you know I

1186
00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:08,560
felt if I if I go outside the tent I'm

1187
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:11,320
gonna be vulnerable right and you know I

1188
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:14,680
still to this day don't feel comfortable

1189
00:56:20,099 --> 00:56:17,490
walking across a large open space

1190
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:20,109
everybody I'll walk a mile to get around

1191
00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:22,570
it rather than cut across an open space

1192
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:25,180
especially if I'm alone yeah I mean

1193
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:27,730
that's understandable yeah

1194
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:32,410
very understandable seriously so we sat

1195
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:36,550
there and for probably 30 minutes trying

1196
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:37,990
to just try to pull our stuff together

1197
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:41,980
you know and tobey's this look man we

1198
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:44,710
got to get out of here he says take your

1199
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,470
keys I got a flashlight let's bolt

1200
00:56:52,349 --> 00:56:49,810
through the car let's get in and get out

1201
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:52,359
of here and you know the thought of

1202
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:54,820
taking our cooler you know his backpack

1203
00:56:59,130 --> 00:56:57,760
the tent you know none of that matter we

1204
00:57:02,370 --> 00:56:59,140
left it off

1205
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,380
yeah yeah we left everything all we

1206
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:04,150
wanted was to put distance between us

1207
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:09,670
and that net that metal and we bolted

1208
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:12,730
for the car got in slammed the doors and

1209
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:17,110
lock them and he asked me sis are you

1210
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:18,610
sure we're good and I knew what he meant

1211
00:57:22,350 --> 00:57:21,010
and I turned on the dome light I've

1212
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,360
looked under the seats and in the

1213
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,680
backseat and you all around too and

1214
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:27,970
because the car had been unlocked and

1215
00:57:32,430 --> 00:57:30,190
you know nobody there's nothing in there

1216
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:32,440
with us car started right up thankfully

1217
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:36,190
and that's when I noticed and I asked

1218
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:37,870
him I said man find me something to

1219
00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:39,310
drink I'll drink anything if it's not

1220
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:43,000
poisonous I was really really thirsty I

1221
00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:44,590
mean it was the most first day I'd ever

1222
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:48,550
been in my life I find out later that we

1223
00:57:53,340 --> 00:57:51,310
were both acutely dehydrated yeah that's

1224
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:53,350
similar to the Travis Walton kind of

1225
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:55,210
inherent Mitchell he explained yet both

1226
00:58:02,160 --> 00:57:57,670
of those guys experienced very extreme

1227
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:02,170
thirst and dehydration yeah and we were

1228
00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:04,840
both burned as well we had what was like

1229
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:06,520
the worst sunburn you could have without

1230
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:10,390
blistering Oh Dan oh but I had it on the

1231
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:12,610
soles of my feet I had it under my arms

1232
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:15,460
I mean I had it everywhere Wow

1233
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:20,200
and and it was painful and well what was

1234
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:22,180
more painful was when the Sun finally

1235
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:24,730
came out you know we're on a two-lane

1236
00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:27,450
blacktop by this time headed north and

1237
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:30,070
as soon as the Sun came up man

1238
00:58:34,860 --> 00:58:32,080
my eyes were just could not take the

1239
00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:34,870
sunlight I mean I had a set of cheap

1240
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:37,840
shades but you know it felt like I had

1241
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:40,720
sand in my eyes Wow yeah found out later

1242
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:44,860
that I had what they call arc arc

1243
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:48,250
welders burns yeah laughs you know what

1244
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:49,600
an arc loader would get if he didn't

1245
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:52,210
didn't couldn't pull his mask down right

1246
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:54,670
basically it's a sunburn to the cornea

1247
00:59:02,850 --> 00:58:57,550
of your eyes uh-huh Wow

1248
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:02,860
and that's very painful so we we drove I

1249
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:05,320
drove as fast as I could think I could

1250
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:06,790
get away with without getting us caught

1251
00:59:12,750 --> 00:59:11,650
over and we made it back to base we

1252
00:59:16,850 --> 00:59:12,760
stopped and we got

1253
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:16,860
got some soda and you know tried to

1254
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:21,190
quench our thirst and I went through six

1255
00:59:26,850 --> 00:59:23,620
cans Lauren soda like nothing you know

1256
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:26,860
my my friend downs this gal and a great

1257
00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:29,950
drink and you know whatever they did to

1258
00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:31,840
me they did they gave him a double dose

1259
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:34,150
because he was he was sick he was curled

1260
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:36,310
up in a ball on the big bench seat of

1261
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:39,790
this Chevy and just kind of hugging this

1262
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:42,460
bottle of grape drink to his chest man

1263
00:59:50,430 --> 00:59:47,170
Wow we got back we got we got on base

1264
00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:50,440
and we both lived in m-seal house and

1265
00:59:55,590 --> 00:59:52,350
only a couple blocks from one another

1266
00:59:58,830 --> 00:59:55,600
and I dropped him off at his house and I

1267
01:00:01,500 --> 00:59:58,840
think all I said was see ya and you know

1268
01:00:03,330 --> 01:00:01,510
he's got a flashlight in his hand then I

1269
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:03,340
drove a couple blocks down to my house

1270
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:06,280
you know when I walk in the door my

1271
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:07,930
wife's like oh you're back early and

1272
01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:09,910
she's like looks at me in like oh my god

1273
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:13,420
what happened to you yeah I told truth I

1274
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:19,830
don't know what do we have to drink and

1275
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:23,140
she made some powdered lemonade and I'm

1276
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:24,850
just pounding that stuff I mean I just

1277
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:29,200
cannot get enough and she helps me get

1278
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:33,760
my boots off and she puts her hand in my

1279
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:36,070
forehead she says you Jesus you're

1280
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:38,230
throwing it up and she took my

1281
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:43,420
temperature and I had 103 Plus oh so you

1282
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:46,450
know that you know I had terrible body

1283
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:49,770
aches and I think that was probably

1284
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:52,690
contributed to it so she gave me you

1285
01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:55,300
know a couple aspirin and you know I

1286
01:01:00,420 --> 01:00:57,670
continued to drink water and I got in

1287
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:00,430
the bathtub and in some cool water and

1288
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,180
my temp came down 101 and she says you

1289
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:06,160
know you got to go to the hospital yeah

1290
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:08,440
I know but you know you got to realize

1291
01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:11,230
it I worked in hospital Toby and I both

1292
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:11,800
did

1293
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,230
right I mean all the people there were

1294
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:16,720
our friends and everybody there knew we

1295
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:18,940
were taking this big camping trip you

1296
01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:23,800
know and it was kind of it was kind of

1297
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,380
embarrassing but you know it was it was

1298
01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:28,960
nice because you know medical people

1299
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:31,780
take care of their own you know yeah so

1300
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:34,570
we were treated very well by the doctors

1301
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:38,350
and nurses especially yeah and while it

1302
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:40,930
was in the emergency room I had probably

1303
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:42,790
the most thorough medical exam I'd ever

1304
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:45,190
had in my life

1305
01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:48,610
and then the base commander who I seen a

1306
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:50,920
couple times never spoke to the guy you

1307
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:53,950
know and the hospital commander and two

1308
01:01:58,410 --> 01:01:56,200
guys in civilian clothes just kidnap

1309
01:02:01,580 --> 01:01:58,420
suits just casual clothes that I didn't

1310
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:01,590
know came in to the emergency room and

1311
01:02:07,550 --> 01:02:05,530
asked the doctor to excuse himself so

1312
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:07,560
doctor goes out of the room

1313
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,910
shuts the door and it's just me and

1314
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:12,640
these two officers and these two guys in

1315
01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:15,370
civilian clothes and the hospital

1316
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:17,140
commander speaks to me he's the only guy

1317
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:21,070
that spoke to me and we actually had a

1318
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:23,380
despite the difference in rank you know

1319
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:25,720
he was an officer I was an enlisted guy

1320
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:28,360
we we had a great rapport I mean he was

1321
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:30,010
just he was a good officer he's a good

1322
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:31,600
guy

1323
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:35,440
but he's very formal and he says sorry

1324
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:37,650
the lovely sure to have no contact with

1325
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:40,780
Sergeant Tobias in any way shape or form

1326
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:43,270
that means no speaking to him by phone

1327
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:45,730
no visiting with him if you run into him

1328
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:47,530
at the base exchange or to turn around

1329
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:48,900
and walk in the opposite direction

1330
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,220
you're not to try to contact him through

1331
01:02:55,860 --> 01:02:53,440
or any third parties pass some any notes

1332
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:55,870
you're not to give him anything he's not

1333
01:03:01,830 --> 01:02:58,540
to give you anything do you understand

1334
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,840
me and I said yes sir and he says that's

1335
01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:03,760
an order I said yes sir I understand

1336
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:06,100
Mike I didn't understand right and this

1337
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:08,140
is your buddy Toby right that's just

1338
01:03:13,710 --> 01:03:11,710
Toby yes okay yeah the order is to have

1339
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:13,720
no contact with one another well that's

1340
01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:19,180
good and yeah you know this all goes

1341
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:21,060
back to what I think happened was that

1342
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:23,860
we didn't put that chain back up across

1343
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:25,330
the road we left it

1344
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:29,560
oh yeah and I think the Park Rangers saw

1345
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:33,790
that and then followed it and then found

1346
01:03:38,970 --> 01:03:36,790
our little campsite mm-hmm and totally

1347
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,980
had his backpack there that had his name

1348
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:39,760
and his

1349
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:41,710
his address you know Whiteman Air Force

1350
01:03:49,580 --> 01:03:45,970
Base and his phone number so Park

1351
01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:49,590
Rangers I found out later had called the

1352
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:54,220
security police at the base and said hey

1353
01:03:58,290 --> 01:03:55,990
looks like to your Airmen are down here

1354
01:03:59,490 --> 01:03:58,300
screwing around they got a campsite set

1355
01:04:02,040 --> 01:03:59,500
up it looks like they're going to come

1356
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:02,050
back we don't know what they're doing

1357
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:03,670
but they're trespassing on the federal

1358
01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:06,010
property I didn't believe it was tribal

1359
01:04:11,490 --> 01:04:08,920
property at the time I didn't find that

1360
01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:11,500
out until this Google Earth engine right

1361
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,620
oh wow so you know yeah so I thought

1362
01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:15,760
what's the big deal you know I'm in a

1363
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:20,440
state park what's the big deal but I'm

1364
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:23,710
in uh in a hospital room and I was my

1365
01:04:29,310 --> 01:04:27,400
hospital for two days three nights for

1366
01:04:34,050 --> 01:04:29,320
three days opposite three days two

1367
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:34,060
nights and on my last night there my

1368
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:35,890
night nurse came in and was gonna give

1369
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:39,250
me some pain meds and an injection which

1370
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:42,490
was great because I needed it and but

1371
01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:44,590
when she came in he's two guys in blue

1372
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:48,870
suits followed her into my room and

1373
01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:52,390
they'll go one guy enemy these guys look

1374
01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:53,740
like cops I mean I don't want to

1375
01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:56,200
stereotype anybody I mean I you know I

1376
01:05:00,210 --> 01:04:57,640
was a plastic you too I worked with

1377
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:00,220
police officer out of respect but I mean

1378
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:02,770
you know these guys cops

1379
01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:04,990
yeah it's just no mistaking them

1380
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:07,060
sometimes you can tell for sure oh yeah

1381
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,190
you know what you but shoulder-holster

1382
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:11,200
you know they got their their suit coats

1383
01:05:14,730 --> 01:05:12,610
on button and you see their shoulder

1384
01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:14,740
holsters and they walk with kind of that

1385
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:16,990
swagger and this guy had this that was

1386
01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:21,900
about 50 and he had this flattop haircut

1387
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:25,660
that's like they weren't 50 yeah that's

1388
01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:29,770
the giveaway it's like if get on the

1389
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:36,430
ground was a haircut yeah you know they

1390
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:39,690
they showed me their identification and

1391
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:42,700
they told the nurse I said this or no

1392
01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:43,930
they told the nurse if that's gonna

1393
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:45,640
sedate sergeant Lovelace is gonna have

1394
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:48,490
to wait and then II think it has to add

1395
01:05:53,609 --> 01:05:50,200
and shut the door on your way out

1396
01:05:55,259 --> 01:05:53,619
oh sure

1397
01:05:59,039 --> 01:05:55,269
whoa there's no need for that as

1398
01:06:01,499 --> 01:05:59,049
aggressive yeah so she she leaves the

1399
01:06:04,019 --> 01:06:01,509
room in a hop you know and they showed

1400
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:04,029
us there's a nurse and me they showed

1401
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:07,089
their badges their credentials and they

1402
01:06:11,279 --> 01:06:08,249
were from the Office of Special

1403
01:06:13,799 --> 01:06:11,289
Investigation or OSI that's the

1404
01:06:18,539 --> 01:06:13,809
investigative branch of the Air Force's

1405
01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:18,549
security police it's like oh ascites to

1406
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:20,740
the Air Force kind of what NCIS is to

1407
01:06:28,739 --> 01:06:23,970
the Navy if that makes sense okay yeah

1408
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:28,749
so these guys the guy that did all the

1409
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:31,089
talking was the guy with the flattop the

1410
01:06:38,989 --> 01:06:33,910
guy about 50 he was a major his sidekick

1411
01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:38,999
was a captain he didn't say much and he

1412
01:06:45,329 --> 01:06:41,950
they pulled up tears right beside my bed

1413
01:06:47,970 --> 01:06:45,339
and they cranked my there was a crank

1414
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:47,980
that not an electric dead captain went

1415
01:06:50,999 --> 01:06:49,480
to the bottom to the end of the bed and

1416
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:51,009
cranked it up so I'm sitting in an

1417
01:06:56,730 --> 01:06:55,119
upright position and this major flips on

1418
01:07:00,029 --> 01:06:56,740
the overhead lights now they'd had the

1419
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:00,039
lights off in the room because my eyes

1420
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:03,609
hurt right yeah my comfort and I said

1421
01:07:08,339 --> 01:07:05,349
sir that really hurts my eyes could you

1422
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:08,349
please turn those off and he says and

1423
01:07:12,259 --> 01:07:09,609
you know what I don't know if you guys

1424
01:07:16,410 --> 01:07:12,269
have ever talked to Calvin Parker or not

1425
01:07:19,019 --> 01:07:16,420
no not yet we loved it yeah yeah he's

1426
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:19,029
always a great guy huh and he's got this

1427
01:07:23,789 --> 01:07:21,609
Louisiana accent oh yeah very

1428
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,799
distinctive yeah and this guy this guy

1429
01:07:28,259 --> 01:07:25,599
you know it can't kind of talk sideways

1430
01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:28,269
right you know this guy had that same

1431
01:07:33,809 --> 01:07:31,960
accent and he says can't work in a camp

1432
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:33,819
we're gonna dark here son gotta see what

1433
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:34,329
we're doing

1434
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:39,130
uh-huh and I asked him I said sir am I

1435
01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:40,619
in some kind of trouble

1436
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:43,720
and he gets this big grin on his face

1437
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:45,369
and he looks at the captain and the

1438
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,089
captain laughs and he says son would we

1439
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:51,960
be here if you weren't in trouble

1440
01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:55,690
and I thought oh my god what we do we

1441
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,900
burn the forest down or something yeah I

1442
01:08:02,849 --> 01:08:00,880
mean I'm scared I mean I you know I've

1443
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:02,859
been lived a pretty straight life I've

1444
01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:05,049
never been in trouble with uh you know

1445
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:06,030
of any kind

1446
01:08:15,050 --> 01:08:10,710
and uh you know I was just scared to

1447
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:15,060
death and he said well you know and it's

1448
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:16,530
his purpose there I think was to

1449
01:08:22,190 --> 01:08:19,980
intimidate me and he says you know we

1450
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:22,200
found the park rangers found your little

1451
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,359
campsite down there and he says that

1452
01:08:30,020 --> 01:08:27,120
that tells me to plan to come back and

1453
01:08:32,210 --> 01:08:30,030
lisas let me ask it you always have a

1454
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:32,220
little marijuana platform out there is

1455
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:33,330
that what this is all about

1456
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:37,620
oh now you know what this is 1977 this

1457
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:39,630
is a different time yeah I mean that

1458
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,530
could have that could have meant

1459
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,920
Leavenworth Penitentiary no you know

1460
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:46,080
loss of my stripes loss of my pay

1461
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,060
dishonorable discharge ruin your life

1462
01:08:52,730 --> 01:08:50,640
and that really scared me because I

1463
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:52,740
thought you know what if I haven't stand

1464
01:08:59,180 --> 01:08:54,660
somebody is growing marijuana out there

1465
01:09:02,780 --> 01:08:59,190
and it you know hang it on us exactly so

1466
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,790
but I you know in retrospect I think his

1467
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:04,620
purpose there was just to intimidate me

1468
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:07,980
and he had that down to a science cuz I

1469
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:09,690
was I was certainly intimidated right

1470
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:15,089
and he said you know he laid out some

1471
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:17,160
forms on my tray table I'm sure what are

1472
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:19,680
these you know the lights are on my eyes

1473
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,540
hurt I think I can't really can't read

1474
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:23,460
he said Sunday's our waiver and consent

1475
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,650
forms these give us the right to take a

1476
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:28,319
look at and to talk to you and you can

1477
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:30,150
talk to us and gives us the right to

1478
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:32,250
take a look in your house to see if you

1479
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:34,140
got any contraband like marijuana

1480
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:35,940
you got any marijuana in your house do

1481
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,859
you son get any marijuana in your car

1482
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:39,120
you don't mind if you take a look

1483
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:40,770
through these jeez yeah what's the deal

1484
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,420
with that I was way off

1485
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:44,640
I can't imagine when you were like no

1486
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:52,770
it's actually alien yeah I had nothing

1487
01:09:55,820 --> 01:09:54,510
to hide in my house he said what he had

1488
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:55,830
nothing to hide you wouldn't mind giving

1489
01:10:00,680 --> 01:09:57,810
this frickin sandwich announced you know

1490
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:00,690
and he puts a pen in my hand you know so

1491
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:03,090
under duress you know I I considered it

1492
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,030
to rest I signed and gave them consent

1493
01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:08,760
to go to my house and scare the hell out

1494
01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:12,750
of my poor wife this is yeah come in and

1495
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,230
they they look through my photographs

1496
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:18,780
and all my prints I think they wanted to

1497
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:19,980
sleep I was photographing

1498
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:22,290
you know nuclear sites or something I

1499
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:24,300
don't know what they were thinking

1500
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:26,250
like I said you can't think you can't

1501
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:27,780
take many pictures when you live on a

1502
01:10:34,340 --> 01:10:31,920
military base with nukes and right I had

1503
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:34,350
I had telephoto lens and I had taken

1504
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:39,210
some pictures of the full room speaker

1505
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:42,480
as I could and I develop some press and

1506
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:44,250
you know they took those prints and the

1507
01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:45,720
negatives of the full moon for some

1508
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:50,390
reason uh-huh weird weird yeah

1509
01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:53,640
interesting great so they wanted all any

1510
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:56,580
kind of evidence that you or yep

1511
01:11:02,750 --> 01:10:59,580
I mean I like part of my brain wants to

1512
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,760
say they were trying to see if you were

1513
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:04,620
some kind of spy but the other part of

1514
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,990
me wants to say like they were they were

1515
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:08,960
wanting to know if you got a photo of

1516
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:11,940
et's craft right right this guy's

1517
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,450
looking go and get him yeah that's the

1518
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:17,760
real purpose of the exercise you know

1519
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:20,070
they got done they may wind up their

1520
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:22,590
interrogation of me you know and a

1521
01:11:27,860 --> 01:11:25,470
captain leaves and the nurse isn't in

1522
01:11:29,690 --> 01:11:27,870
the wrong and he makes sure my door is

1523
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:29,700
shut ahead of my bed is right near the

1524
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:32,610
door and he leans against the door with

1525
01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:35,310
his hand on it so nobody can come in and

1526
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:38,550
he gets down next to my ear and he says

1527
01:11:46,190 --> 01:11:42,570
almost in a whisper he says son I know

1528
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:46,200
and you know you two knuckleheads

1529
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:48,630
stumbled onto something out there didn't

1530
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:52,190
you oh so he's trying to like answer

1531
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:54,810
okay so he's trying to put you in like a

1532
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:56,520
like a state of submission like

1533
01:12:01,790 --> 01:11:59,070
intimidation and then now he's trying to

1534
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,800
get the truth out of you yeah he wants

1535
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:03,360
me to tell him I saw a UFO

1536
01:12:06,740 --> 01:12:05,010
you know I'm not about to do that

1537
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:06,750
because I know that if I do that I risk

1538
01:12:13,340 --> 01:12:09,000
ending up on a psych ward you know all

1539
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:13,350
right so I didn't answer the guy and

1540
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:17,940
then he can't change his he can't drop

1541
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:20,250
the tough-guy aspect from his face and

1542
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:24,780
he says you know I think you know what

1543
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:27,930
I'm talking about don't you and I still

1544
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:28,650
didn't answer

1545
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:31,980
Wow and he says son all I want to know

1546
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,719
is that you're taking

1547
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,760
pictures of how many pictures did you

1548
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:37,920
take of it and where's your camera and

1549
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:41,249
where should film and I told him the

1550
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:44,460
truth and the truth was I mean I was an

1551
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,960
amateur photographer you know how it is

1552
01:12:49,459 --> 01:12:47,760
when you're when you got a hobby I mean

1553
01:12:50,839 --> 01:12:49,469
I should have been out there

1554
01:12:52,819 --> 01:12:50,849
photographing this thing from every

1555
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:52,829
angle right yeah right

1556
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:55,320
good thought the photographic never

1557
01:12:58,700 --> 01:12:58,170
crossed my mind yeah you never crossed

1558
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:58,710
my mind

1559
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:01,800
and it was a bit awkward anyway I left

1560
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:03,780
my camera my good camera at home now

1561
01:13:07,609 --> 01:13:05,340
told me he had a camera in his back

1562
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:07,619
package so we certainly could have taken

1563
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:09,300
pictures of the thing but you know

1564
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,150
neither one of us thought to do that

1565
01:13:16,609 --> 01:13:13,199
yeah I heard other people say that

1566
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:16,619
before too absolutely no they saw

1567
01:13:22,129 --> 01:13:18,659
something crazy and thought of taking a

1568
01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:22,139
picture never crossed their money so he

1569
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:24,630
knew I don't know how he knew but he

1570
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:27,449
knew dad that kind of goes back to like

1571
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:30,030
how the whole area is kind of blocked

1572
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:32,670
off in the first place you know and then

1573
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:35,010
and then you guys show up and you know

1574
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:37,650
then come to find out later on in life

1575
01:13:42,379 --> 01:13:40,590
that that's that's you know PLM property

1576
01:13:45,739 --> 01:13:42,389
that's like run by the government like

1577
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:45,749
they probably knew that that happens

1578
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,400
pretty often in that specific area and

1579
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:51,840
seeing all your stuff there they

1580
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:53,610
probably put two and two together it was

1581
01:13:59,839 --> 01:13:56,010
like oh they probably ran into that

1582
01:14:02,319 --> 01:13:59,849
crash and they ran away yeah I think

1583
01:14:04,819 --> 01:14:02,329
that's absolutely right well you know I

1584
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,829
have a few memories from being on that

1585
01:14:09,819 --> 01:14:06,780
craft and one of the memories that I

1586
01:14:13,879 --> 01:14:09,829
have is there were about five or six

1587
01:14:15,589 --> 01:14:13,889
it's like five guys and a woman and they

1588
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:15,599
were young I mean they were like a lot

1589
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:17,340
like us they were like you know 19

1590
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:20,760
through maybe 22 but I was 22 at the

1591
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:26,280
time Toby was 23 and they were dressed

1592
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,420
in these weird

1593
01:14:32,899 --> 01:14:29,820
these tan colored flight suits that I'd

1594
01:14:35,689 --> 01:14:32,909
never seen before and they had what

1595
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:35,699
looked to me to be standard-issue combat

1596
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:38,699
boots on whoa yeah we had military

1597
01:14:45,859 --> 01:14:44,219
haircuts and the woman was I remember

1598
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:45,869
her welcome she was kind of cute

1599
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:47,370
actually she was

1600
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:52,670
petite Latinos go with a ponytail and

1601
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:55,050
these guys wouldn't look in our

1602
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:56,850
direction they would not look at us make

1603
01:15:01,760 --> 01:14:59,250
eye contact with them and I believe that

1604
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:01,770
they were members of the crew I really

1605
01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:04,140
do because the one guy from my angle I

1606
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:05,700
couldn't see what he was doing but he

1607
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:07,050
was doing something to what looked like

1608
01:15:12,230 --> 01:15:10,830
a panel on the law yeah okay so inside

1609
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,240
the craft you're you're remembering

1610
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:15,120
human humanoid people like just just

1611
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:18,690
like you and me not absolutely okay not

1612
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:20,970
you know these weren't hybrids of these

1613
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:23,640
these these Manny look like human beings

1614
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,620
I don't know thinking this earth or not

1615
01:15:29,690 --> 01:15:27,840
but I think so you know they had some

1616
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:29,700
kind of orange insignia round orange

1617
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:32,580
insignia on their shoulders yeah and I

1618
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:34,170
they weren't close enough that I could

1619
01:15:37,940 --> 01:15:36,450
get a glimpse of it and see what that I

1620
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:37,950
would love to know know what that patch

1621
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:41,100
you said right yeah interesting so they

1622
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:43,950
had a distinctive outfit on almost like

1623
01:15:49,670 --> 01:15:46,890
some type of uniform obviously they had

1624
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:49,680
combat boots so I'm just trying to break

1625
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:51,570
it down in my head like you know you

1626
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:54,810
hear I've heard a few stories that you

1627
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,550
know the the military is working with

1628
01:16:01,370 --> 01:15:59,040
these et and certain and on certain

1629
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:01,380
certain drills or or sometimes it's

1630
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:04,170
they're actually military that that's

1631
01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:07,470
helping out ETS or it's uh it's it's

1632
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,480
literally a screen it's a screen menu or

1633
01:16:14,210 --> 01:16:11,760
not menu but screen memory that they put

1634
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:14,220
in your head that you remember them as

1635
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:17,430
as humans but it was actually the greys

1636
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:21,630
or whatever or whatever yeah yeah cuz

1637
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:24,930
they can they can control her mind eh no

1638
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:26,250
doubt about that you know what I think I

1639
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:28,130
think there are three possibilities and

1640
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:32,340
I think that we're either working

1641
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:35,070
shoulder-to-shoulder with them in some

1642
01:16:41,210 --> 01:16:35,880
kind of agreement

1643
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:41,220
yeah or we're in just a flat-out trading

1644
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:43,320
agreement like a quid pro quo you know

1645
01:16:48,710 --> 01:16:46,770
they give us technology and we give them

1646
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,720
the limited right to maybe take people

1647
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:51,600
now and then or take cattle you know I

1648
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:53,550
think a david Politis and it's missing

1649
01:17:00,260 --> 01:16:57,210
for one one series yes people go missing

1650
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:00,270
from state and federal parks yeah

1651
01:17:06,420 --> 01:17:04,510
really crazy circumstances and and to

1652
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:06,430
try to get a list of missing people like

1653
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,900
you have to pay them like a million

1654
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:09,760
dollars or something is pretty expensive

1655
01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:13,150
do ya list yeah

1656
01:17:17,850 --> 01:17:16,420
you know he's he's gonna speak at Eureka

1657
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:17,860
Springs I don't know if you guys are

1658
01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:20,290
planning on going or not I haven't heard

1659
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,460
of that one yet but it sounds

1660
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:24,400
interesting yeah yeah Eureka Springs is

1661
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:27,130
this would be their 33rd year it'll be

1662
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:30,540
my first time going I'm gonna speak and

1663
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:34,510
David Politis will be there so I'll get

1664
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:35,860
a chance to meet him he doesn't return

1665
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:39,250
my email so okay and track the guy down

1666
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:41,650
and talk to ya

1667
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:45,250
yeah so do you think this is uh you like

1668
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,850
maybe had a type of like like a mylabs

1669
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:51,280
experience like with the military

1670
01:17:59,490 --> 01:17:54,640
abduction type thing you know people ask

1671
01:18:05,040 --> 01:17:59,500
me that a lot and I don't know I I ask

1672
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:05,050
to God don't know I know this for

1673
01:18:09,150 --> 01:18:07,210
wondering some reason or another I mean

1674
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:09,160
most people spend a whole life and never

1675
01:18:16,730 --> 01:18:10,380
see a URL

1676
01:18:23,190 --> 01:18:16,740
yeah and I've seen UFOs since I was 8

1677
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:23,200
Rand Steve into this day yeah so do you

1678
01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:24,790
think you know do you think the

1679
01:18:30,750 --> 01:18:27,160
experience is that maybe you had as a

1680
01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:30,760
younger child were in some way preparing

1681
01:18:37,230 --> 01:18:33,640
you maybe for the this this specific

1682
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:37,240
experience you know I think there's it's

1683
01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:40,690
all connected in some way yeah I don't

1684
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:43,630
know how but it's all connected in some

1685
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:43,870
way

1686
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:47,230
I had a young a guy from to the Stars

1687
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:52,410
Academy at ETS a guy's yeah Louella no

1688
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:54,820
explained to me that some people or what

1689
01:19:00,750 --> 01:18:57,970
they call targeted individuals hmm yeah

1690
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:00,760
and he said you are a target of

1691
01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:04,080
individual it sounds like it yeah yeah

1692
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:07,420
so they're very whoever is doing this is

1693
01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:10,000
very interested in specific people and

1694
01:19:13,289 --> 01:19:12,220
you had you happen to be one of those

1695
01:19:15,839 --> 01:19:13,299
specific people

1696
01:19:17,789 --> 01:19:15,849
d do you feel the sense of like maybe

1697
01:19:20,669 --> 01:19:17,799
there's something in your DNA that you

1698
01:19:21,719 --> 01:19:20,679
know it's like a lineage thing or you

1699
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:21,729
think it's just random

1700
01:19:28,289 --> 01:19:24,729
what are your up just curious I had no

1701
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:28,299
idea you know I wonder if my dad may

1702
01:19:33,779 --> 01:19:32,260
have done taken because he had a he

1703
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:33,789
tried to hide it but he had a real

1704
01:19:38,879 --> 01:19:36,239
interest in UFOs okay and whenever

1705
01:19:41,489 --> 01:19:38,889
whenever anything came on the TV he had

1706
01:19:43,949 --> 01:19:41,499
to listen to it and one time in st.

1707
01:19:47,639 --> 01:19:43,959
Louis back you know I think I was about

1708
01:19:51,629 --> 01:19:47,649
15 or so there was a news report about a

1709
01:19:54,179 --> 01:19:51,639
UFO over the st. Louis area that was

1710
01:19:57,149 --> 01:19:54,189
bottle shaped and green and glowing

1711
01:20:00,089 --> 01:19:57,159
green and my dad grant system oculars

1712
01:20:03,539 --> 01:20:00,099
and it goes outside and they didn't see

1713
01:20:06,689 --> 01:20:03,549
anything but comes back in and I'm like

1714
01:20:10,289 --> 01:20:06,699
so Dan you think that's uh flying

1715
01:20:13,829 --> 01:20:10,299
saucers I didn't use the word UFO I see

1716
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:13,839
a flying saucer right yeah yeah we said

1717
01:20:18,899 --> 01:20:16,089
nice as you know that's something from

1718
01:20:20,849 --> 01:20:18,909
the Russians that's not that's not from

1719
01:20:22,139 --> 01:20:20,859
outer space that's that's something from

1720
01:20:26,129 --> 01:20:22,149
the that was his answer for everything

1721
01:20:28,889 --> 01:20:26,139
but it's Russian yeah I don't think so

1722
01:20:31,589 --> 01:20:28,899
yeah they also keep oblique that yeah

1723
01:20:33,899 --> 01:20:31,599
yeah you know that's kind of a common

1724
01:20:36,689 --> 01:20:33,909
theme through the beginning half of the

1725
01:20:38,489 --> 01:20:36,699
book you know is like you know your dad

1726
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:38,499
is it seems like he's a little

1727
01:20:43,619 --> 01:20:41,260
dismissive of it but it definitely seems

1728
01:20:46,649 --> 01:20:43,629
to like pique his interest enough to

1729
01:20:48,419 --> 01:20:46,659
want to help you out with it you know as

1730
01:20:50,819 --> 01:20:48,429
opposed to just being like yeah it's an

1731
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:50,829
overactive imagination go back to sleep

1732
01:20:56,489 --> 01:20:53,679
you know he he he deploys the tape you

1733
01:20:59,519 --> 01:20:56,499
know the tape in your room and and then

1734
01:21:01,109 --> 01:20:59,529
he takes you to the doctor and it seems

1735
01:21:02,609 --> 01:21:01,119
like he's definitely interested in

1736
01:21:04,619 --> 01:21:02,619
what's happening to you which kind of

1737
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:04,629
makes me wonder you know he may have had

1738
01:21:10,559 --> 01:21:07,209
this interest maybe something did happen

1739
01:21:12,959 --> 01:21:10,569
to him or maybe it was your experiences

1740
01:21:15,029 --> 01:21:12,969
that you know kind of turned him on to

1741
01:21:18,809 --> 01:21:15,039
the idea of like well I don't think my

1742
01:21:21,469 --> 01:21:18,819
kid is crazy personally but is he seeing

1743
01:21:25,049 --> 01:21:21,479
something that I can't explain you know

1744
01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:25,059
yeah yeah we are his words to me and I

1745
01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:26,680
remember them were you know

1746
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:28,720
look you know you can't tell people you

1747
01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:30,910
saw a UFO if you do they're gonna think

1748
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,350
you're crazy they're gonna think there's

1749
01:21:36,090 --> 01:21:34,480
something wrong with you and then sure

1750
01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:36,100
enough you see you know if you tell

1751
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:37,660
people you saw a flying saucer they're

1752
01:21:41,970 --> 01:21:39,250
gonna think something's wrong with us

1753
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:41,980
yeah and that was Kennedy at nineteen

1754
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:45,250
sixties mentality of you know the

1755
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:48,930
perfect family and harmony and you know

1756
01:21:55,410 --> 01:21:53,680
it was just it was a different time yeah

1757
01:21:56,820 --> 01:21:55,420
what am i one of my favorite parts of

1758
01:21:58,620 --> 01:21:56,830
the book is where you're talking about

1759
01:22:01,170 --> 01:21:58,630
how your dad didn't understand what

1760
01:22:03,150 --> 01:22:01,180
light running was like how is for you

1761
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:03,160
know like he did a lot of military stuff

1762
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:05,050
and like running was was like you know

1763
01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:06,940
when it was time to be in danger but

1764
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,740
like you were like no I run to stay in

1765
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:10,480
shape he was like why are you running I

1766
01:22:15,390 --> 01:22:13,450
thought that was interesting well you

1767
01:22:17,220 --> 01:22:15,400
know you know what that I thought about

1768
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:17,230
that too it is really his question at

1769
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:18,700
the time wasn't as dumb as it sounds

1770
01:22:24,630 --> 01:22:21,490
today because if you look through old

1771
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:24,640
photos old motion pictures you won't

1772
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:26,650
find anybody running on the street

1773
01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:36,060
yes so really the concept of being out

1774
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:38,830
and running on the street you know just

1775
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:41,530
for exercise which was a fort was a full

1776
01:22:45,870 --> 01:22:43,690
with a new idea yeah I wonder what they

1777
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:45,880
would you know a person from that time

1778
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:48,580
period would think if they came to the

1779
01:22:52,050 --> 01:22:50,050
current day and just saw people running

1780
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:52,060
all over the place like what are they

1781
01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:58,960
running from I knew it's a kid if I was

1782
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,080
running down the street a complication

1783
01:23:04,770 --> 01:23:03,280
yeah just because you're running they

1784
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:04,780
probably start chasing you why are you

1785
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:11,050
running sir exercise and so Terry these

1786
01:23:19,260 --> 01:23:14,230
these implants that you have are they

1787
01:23:24,060 --> 01:23:19,270
both still in there the implant that was

1788
01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:24,070
above my leg was taken out not by not by

1789
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:30,640
doctors but by et Oh November 17th 2017

1790
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:34,510
I woke up and I had wounds on top of my

1791
01:23:39,530 --> 01:23:36,450
leg and

1792
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:39,540
hi you know my legs hurt I told my wife

1793
01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:41,370
I said they came and they got there they

1794
01:23:45,740 --> 01:23:42,990
got that thing out of my leg last night

1795
01:23:48,170 --> 01:23:45,750
oh man laws and cases where you you

1796
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:48,180
gotta get up you gotta get an x-ray you

1797
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:51,150
know find out other things below my leg

1798
01:23:58,370 --> 01:23:56,340
are still there huh but the thing that

1799
01:24:02,630 --> 01:23:58,380
was there about the size of a fingernail

1800
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:02,640
that's gone they took that somehow and I

1801
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:05,400
went to I thought where I go to get an

1802
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:06,630
x-ray because you know if you go to a

1803
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,730
stand in radiology place pardon but they

1804
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:13,260
won't you know they won't give you an

1805
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:17,310
x-ray on demand I mean you know so I

1806
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,010
went to this chiropractor's office right

1807
01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:22,440
and what I did was I took copies of my

1808
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:27,240
x-ray on copy paper because I knew I

1809
01:24:34,670 --> 01:24:30,900
knew you know chiropractors look at a

1810
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:34,680
hundred x-rays a week yeah so I didn't

1811
01:24:38,210 --> 01:24:36,000
have an appointment I get there this

1812
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,220
guy's like super busy and I said if you

1813
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:39,840
could squeeze me in I'd be you know

1814
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:41,760
really grateful tell the receptionist

1815
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,970
and she says are a it's gonna be a wait

1816
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:47,520
sorry wait like 45 minutes in a waiting

1817
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:50,040
room and finally he calls me back and he

1818
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,170
says okay well you hurt and I said well

1819
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:54,900
I heard at the top of my legs but the

1820
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:57,050
real reason I'm here is I think that

1821
01:25:01,670 --> 01:24:58,980
extraterrestrial beings came into my

1822
01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:01,680
room night before last while I was

1823
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:04,140
asleep and took this implant out of my

1824
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:08,010
leg and he thinks I'm crazy you got me

1825
01:25:13,700 --> 01:25:10,230
by the elbow and he's walking me toward

1826
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:13,710
the door oh man and I'm holding this

1827
01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:15,480
piece of paper up in front of his face

1828
01:25:22,730 --> 01:25:20,040
and he stops in his tracks and looks at

1829
01:25:25,190 --> 01:25:22,740
both of them and he says come with me

1830
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:25,200
Eddie took me into his office and shut

1831
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,910
the door and you know his phone's

1832
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:28,440
ringing and people were knocking at the

1833
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:31,260
door and he says let me see your legs

1834
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:33,060
and I showed him with the words that I

1835
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:35,820
had and he says tell me about these and

1836
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:38,130
I gave him like the capsule version you

1837
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:40,500
know I was camping in 1977 I think

1838
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:42,780
that's when they put them you know I run

1839
01:25:48,290 --> 01:25:44,970
to good goes numb at the two mile mark

1840
01:25:49,779 --> 01:25:48,300
the whole thing you know in four minutes

1841
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,789
and

1842
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:52,320
he says well I'm gonna race your script

1843
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:55,650
for an x-ray and he told me would it go

1844
01:26:02,479 --> 01:25:58,170
gave me the piece of paper said I'll pay

1845
01:26:05,359 --> 01:26:02,489
for it oh just don't use my name or the

1846
01:26:06,379 --> 01:26:05,369
name of my clinic in your book cuz I

1847
01:26:09,259 --> 01:26:06,389
told him I'm gonna write a book about

1848
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:09,269
this yeah and I gave him my word I

1849
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:11,570
wouldn't and I've been true to my word

1850
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,000
so I wouldn't I got the x-ray and I held

1851
01:26:19,299 --> 01:26:17,280
it up to the light and sure enough that

1852
01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:19,309
thing that was there was gone

1853
01:26:25,549 --> 01:26:23,550
whoa and he asked me to drop the x-rays

1854
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:25,559
off at his office so he could look at

1855
01:26:31,459 --> 01:26:27,659
her and and I did I just dropped him off

1856
01:26:34,339 --> 01:26:31,469
I didn't wait to see him and he caused

1857
01:26:36,589 --> 01:26:34,349
me up after dinner that evening and said

1858
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:36,599
well you saw your x-rays right and I

1859
01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:39,409
said yeah there's nothing there anymore

1860
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,150
and he says well they took out the thing

1861
01:26:48,589 --> 01:26:44,880
by your knee but he said they left

1862
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:48,599
something he said they left two wires in

1863
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:51,420
your leg there are two tiny wires

1864
01:26:56,299 --> 01:26:54,449
parallel to one another about a quarter

1865
01:27:00,080 --> 01:26:56,309
of an inch long running parallel with

1866
01:27:01,669 --> 01:27:00,090
your femur lots and I didn't see those

1867
01:27:04,180 --> 01:27:01,679
so I got the x-rays back

1868
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:04,190
I had possession with the x-rays now and

1869
01:27:07,759 --> 01:27:06,179
you know you hold it up to the light you

1870
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:07,769
can see them a whole lot better the

1871
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:09,210
picture didn't turn out so well in the

1872
01:27:13,339 --> 01:27:11,460
book cause it's grainy right but on

1873
01:27:16,220 --> 01:27:13,349
x-ray film you can see it it's good it's

1874
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:16,230
very clear yeah there are two wires in

1875
01:27:21,169 --> 01:27:19,110
there I'm the doctor I'm like hey you

1876
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:21,179
know if these guys if these beings are

1877
01:27:26,330 --> 01:27:24,030
so advanced you know they're 500 runs up

1878
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,340
the evolutionary ladder how could they

1879
01:27:30,140 --> 01:27:27,360
be so inept

1880
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:30,150
as to leave two wires am i right and my

1881
01:27:36,049 --> 01:27:34,110
leg right and he said I loved his answer

1882
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:36,059
he said they don't do anything by

1883
01:27:38,509 --> 01:27:36,719
accident

1884
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:38,519
I'm sure this guy was an experiencer

1885
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:41,130
national so he was on because able to

1886
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,139
anything by accident he says what they

1887
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:45,000
did if they gave you an upgrade he says

1888
01:27:59,089 --> 01:27:54,140
that's insane so we were looking at

1889
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:59,099
pictures of vintage capacitors and we

1890
01:28:02,659 --> 01:28:01,800
found an image and it it's crazy like

1891
01:28:10,609 --> 01:28:02,669
how

1892
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:10,619
like a 2.5 millimeter square body with

1893
01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:13,110
these young antennas off the top of it

1894
01:28:20,029 --> 01:28:18,030
and the the the the coincidence of the

1895
01:28:23,810 --> 01:28:20,039
way that it looks compared to like

1896
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:23,820
what's in your leg is is astound it's

1897
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:27,689
it's a square ceramic capacitor with

1898
01:28:31,699 --> 01:28:29,880
with the two terminals you know and it's

1899
01:28:33,739 --> 01:28:31,709
like this photo that we're looking at it

1900
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:33,749
sits in comparison to a coin and I mean

1901
01:28:37,639 --> 01:28:35,729
this thing is tiny which i think is kind

1902
01:28:39,919 --> 01:28:37,649
of comparable that was what was in your

1903
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:39,929
your leg is very yeah I love they just

1904
01:28:44,830 --> 01:28:41,820
look really similar I'm not saying it

1905
01:28:47,659 --> 01:28:44,840
was the same thing but I I saw that

1906
01:28:50,089 --> 01:28:47,669
sorry go that's a smart thing what I

1907
01:28:51,949 --> 01:28:50,099
kind of had the same thought is that you

1908
01:28:55,339 --> 01:28:51,959
know did my government put this thing in

1909
01:28:57,109 --> 01:28:55,349
my leg if they did right I had a friend

1910
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,119
who worked for I went to law school with

1911
01:29:01,850 --> 01:28:59,760
a guy he worked for Treasury for a while

1912
01:29:04,939 --> 01:29:01,860
and then he went to work for the Bureau

1913
01:29:08,209 --> 01:29:04,949
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and the

1914
01:29:10,009 --> 01:29:08,219
B ATF I don't know if you guys ever

1915
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:10,019
heard of and recall the Lockerbie

1916
01:29:16,669 --> 01:29:14,489
Scotland bombing a great big great big

1917
01:29:20,569 --> 01:29:16,679
humongous airplane full of people from

1918
01:29:23,139 --> 01:29:20,579
the states had a bomb planted in it and

1919
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:23,149
it blew up over Lockerbie Scotland

1920
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:27,449
filled everybody and the girl of Alcohol

1921
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,510
Tobacco and Firearms investigated the

1922
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:32,880
wreckage and they found parts of a radio

1923
01:29:41,169 --> 01:29:39,570
that had explosives residue on them oh

1924
01:29:44,449 --> 01:29:41,179
wow

1925
01:29:47,029 --> 01:29:44,459
as a direct result of that the Bureau of

1926
01:29:49,909 --> 01:29:47,039
Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has the

1927
01:29:52,009 --> 01:29:49,919
most extensive database of electrical

1928
01:29:55,459 --> 01:29:52,019
components anywhere in the world

1929
01:29:58,609 --> 01:29:55,469
I mean if it's manufactured to go on a

1930
01:30:00,080 --> 01:29:58,619
motherboard or in a radio somewhere

1931
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:00,090
they're going to have a picture of it

1932
01:30:04,759 --> 01:30:03,300
okay so I told him I said I'm gonna send

1933
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:04,769
you this can you can you look it up for

1934
01:30:13,089 --> 01:30:06,840
me and tell me you know if it's in your

1935
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,099
database and it's not whoa that's crazy

1936
01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:16,320
so yeah I mean either it's a

1937
01:30:22,129 --> 01:30:19,590
dark government program that you know

1938
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:22,139
creates these capacitors or whatever it

1939
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:24,810
is or it's it's et and they just it's a

1940
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:27,570
similar design right like it could be

1941
01:30:32,419 --> 01:30:31,110
one of the other other yeah you know and

1942
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:32,429
I thought maybe it's made intentionally

1943
01:30:37,790 --> 01:30:36,510
to look like something sir yeah yeah

1944
01:30:39,859 --> 01:30:37,800
that that would be the best way to

1945
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:39,869
conceal it the only thing I can think of

1946
01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:41,730
is that you know this design like the

1947
01:30:44,839 --> 01:30:43,320
capacitor is it's kind of like a tiny

1948
01:30:46,850 --> 01:30:44,849
little battery so it would have to be

1949
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:46,860
attached to something you know it's like

1950
01:30:51,740 --> 01:30:49,170
it's not well your body I mean your your

1951
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:51,750
body is constantly sending electrical

1952
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:54,449
signals throughout your body it's like

1953
01:30:58,459 --> 01:30:56,460
its own little battery basically so I

1954
01:31:00,919 --> 01:30:58,469
mean why wouldn't you be able to run

1955
01:31:03,050 --> 01:31:00,929
maybe a tiny little piece of equipment

1956
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:03,060
off of your own body's electrical signal

1957
01:31:06,530 --> 01:31:04,650
and it would have to be very small so

1958
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,540
that since what the size of this thing I

1959
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:08,639
mean we're just doctor scientists we

1960
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:13,860
don't know where talk about but man I'm

1961
01:31:17,330 --> 01:31:15,510
just yeah we're we're just looking

1962
01:31:18,879 --> 01:31:17,340
through that photo and we'll post it for

1963
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:18,889
those listening we're gonna post these

1964
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:21,570
as long as that's okay Terry for us to

1965
01:31:24,350 --> 01:31:22,650
post these these photos that were

1966
01:31:26,209 --> 01:31:24,360
looking at absolutely please please

1967
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:26,219
share them with your awesome your

1968
01:31:30,979 --> 01:31:28,530
audience awesome appreciate yeah yeah I

1969
01:31:33,979 --> 01:31:30,989
know listening to Al Orion Fenton's show

1970
01:31:37,069 --> 01:31:33,989
I've heard you on her show as well you

1971
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:37,079
know she she's talked about how maybe

1972
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:40,440
these implants are now being upgraded to

1973
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:43,679
a more like organic type of you know

1974
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:46,530
maybe like biotech of some sort how you

1975
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:48,510
know like a lot of this stuff is metal

1976
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,280
but the new ones that are being

1977
01:31:59,540 --> 01:31:52,800
implanted in people are are you know a

1978
01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:59,550
little more undetectable yeah yeah you

1979
01:32:03,770 --> 01:32:01,020
know I would assume that their

1980
01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:03,780
technology you know advances that our

1981
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,060
rate probably exponentially higher than

1982
01:32:10,010 --> 01:32:08,159
ours right I mean I want the

1983
01:32:14,089 --> 01:32:10,020
advancements that we've made since the

1984
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:14,099
1960s and you know I'm sure that they

1985
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:17,610
upgrade their super equipment now right

1986
01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:22,230
absolutely yeah Wow so what about the

1987
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,880
one in the back of your leg do you have

1988
01:32:28,899 --> 01:32:25,440
any plans for that do you plan on

1989
01:32:30,140 --> 01:32:28,909
leaving it does it bother you or I mean

1990
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:30,150
don't

1991
01:32:38,689 --> 01:32:36,360
was in my calf muscle I'm told by a

1992
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:38,699
couple radiologists that they are it

1993
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:42,090
does look like bone tissue huh

1994
01:32:46,459 --> 01:32:44,010
they said that they could take it out

1995
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:46,469
but I probably you know have a messed up

1996
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:49,260
leg afterwards huh because where they

1997
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:51,030
take it out you know that's gonna leave

1998
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:52,650
a big hole it's going to have to heal

1999
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:57,360
right and I you know I just they tell me

2000
01:33:01,840 --> 01:32:59,280
that it's likely if they if they took

2001
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:01,850
them out it's just gonna be bone tissue

2002
01:33:07,729 --> 01:33:05,010
yeah interesting magnetic bone tissue

2003
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:07,739
bones right yes where I was gonna ask

2004
01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:10,290
next was the what about the magnetic

2005
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:12,900
part of it though I mean that's that's

2006
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:15,570
pretty interesting I mean huh

2007
01:33:19,070 --> 01:33:17,310
that is wild yeah we're looking at the

2008
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,080
photo right now and the floral the

2009
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:21,780
flower pattern is super interesting man

2010
01:33:30,530 --> 01:33:26,159
that doesn't look natural no should not

2011
01:33:32,810 --> 01:33:30,540
should not be in your leg but um so I'm

2012
01:33:34,610 --> 01:33:32,820
looking through these other photos so I

2013
01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:34,620
think the most compelling when I want to

2014
01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:36,900
ask you about this the your screen

2015
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:40,620
capture of your phone says it's Tuesday

2016
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:43,830
the 16th 2019 and you

2017
01:33:49,580 --> 01:33:46,290
it says flights climb and it says six

2018
01:33:53,419 --> 01:33:49,590
floors at 524 a.m. can you explain that

2019
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:53,429
a little bit I sure can

2020
01:33:59,000 --> 01:33:56,310
I think they took me that night I'll

2021
01:34:03,439 --> 01:33:59,010
tell you what happen inside I woke up at

2022
01:34:06,350 --> 01:34:03,449
5:55 a.m. absolutely out of breath my

2023
01:34:09,020 --> 01:34:06,360
blood pressure was like 220 over 110 my

2024
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:09,030
pulse was tachycardic like you know 150

2025
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:12,510
or something yeah and I'm thinking I'm

2026
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:15,300
having a heart attack right and I mean I

2027
01:34:20,930 --> 01:34:18,480
woke up from a sound sleep like this so

2028
01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:20,940
I told my wife I said call call an

2029
01:34:24,020 --> 01:34:22,140
ambulance I think I'm having a heart

2030
01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:24,030
attack yeah and he took me to the

2031
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:26,699
hospital and I had our attack before so

2032
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:29,730
I know the drill no chest x-ray cardiac

2033
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:35,850
enzymes your chest x-ray and so they do

2034
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:37,170
all the tests on me and they say you

2035
01:34:40,729 --> 01:34:38,850
know you're you're fine and by the time

2036
01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:40,739
we get to the hospital my pulse is down

2037
01:34:44,410 --> 01:34:43,409
my blood pressure's down and I'm back to

2038
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:44,420
normal

2039
01:34:50,630 --> 01:34:47,910
now I should I should qualify this and

2040
01:34:54,980 --> 01:34:50,640
tell you that I sleep with the t-shirt

2041
01:34:57,980 --> 01:34:54,990
off with a pocket because and headphones

2042
01:35:00,980 --> 01:34:57,990
because I can't hear in Oasis at night

2043
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:00,990
if I heard I mean if I hear a noise at

2044
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:02,730
night I freak out I get up with a

2045
01:35:06,530 --> 01:35:04,500
flashlight and a pistol and I got a

2046
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:06,540
search the whole house is right right I

2047
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:08,970
would do the same thing man huh I mean

2048
01:35:14,170 --> 01:35:11,100
so you know I I sleep with these

2049
01:35:21,550 --> 01:35:14,180
headphones on and I listen to you know

2050
01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:21,560
432 Hertz music or you know some type of

2051
01:35:32,050 --> 01:35:26,550
meditation type type of recording yeah

2052
01:35:35,540 --> 01:35:32,060
and that's that's what I sleep with so

2053
01:35:37,730 --> 01:35:35,550
that evening you know I got home I told

2054
01:35:39,470 --> 01:35:37,740
my wife I got to go out cuz I try to

2055
01:35:43,220 --> 01:35:39,480
walk a mile and a half a day for you

2056
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:43,230
know keep me somewhat healthy and I told

2057
01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:44,970
her about 7:30 after dinner I said I'm

2058
01:35:51,260 --> 01:35:48,030
gonna go out and do a quick mile walk

2059
01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:51,270
and then I'll be back and I pulled my

2060
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:53,490
phone out and I turned on my health app

2061
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,810
which I hadn't even looked at yes and I

2062
01:36:00,500 --> 01:35:59,280
looked at my health app and the first

2063
01:36:02,690 --> 01:36:00,510
thing I'd noticed and you know I taken

2064
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:02,700
like 24 steps the entire day because I

2065
01:36:07,130 --> 01:36:04,410
spent the whole day in hospital right

2066
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:07,140
and then I know I saw the red bar for

2067
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:09,510
stairs now I never see stairs on my

2068
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:11,940
phone I mean I've lived in a ranch house

2069
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:17,100
with no stairs right basement and I saw

2070
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:19,950
six flights of stairs and then I saw the

2071
01:36:26,810 --> 01:36:25,110
time 5:24 a.m. whoa five 5:24 a.m. to

2072
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:26,820
the best of my knowledge I was asleep in

2073
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:31,290
bed yeah when I got that I can woke up

2074
01:36:36,230 --> 01:36:33,810
at five fifty five out of breath my ear

2075
01:36:37,940 --> 01:36:36,240
buds were on my chest and my phone had

2076
01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:37,950
been unplugged from the wall you know

2077
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:41,400
it's the batteries man so but never

2078
01:36:47,330 --> 01:36:44,760
occurred to me until I saw that and I

2079
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:47,340
took it to t-mobile and I asked the guy

2080
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:49,530
said what you know can you explain this

2081
01:36:53,620 --> 01:36:51,210
to me because normally if I climb six

2082
01:36:56,660 --> 01:36:53,630
flights of stairs you know the the

2083
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,670
x-axis on the left indicates height

2084
01:37:00,460 --> 01:36:57,840
ratios

2085
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:00,470
box represents ten feet in height and

2086
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:04,770
then the y-axis from the bottom as it

2087
01:37:10,820 --> 01:37:07,080
goes from left to right indicates

2088
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:10,830
passage of time so it would take me a

2089
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:12,450
couple minutes to walk a big flight of

2090
01:37:16,220 --> 01:37:14,580
stairs and in another couple minutes I

2091
01:37:18,860 --> 01:37:16,230
would get that ik a stair step type

2092
01:37:23,710 --> 01:37:18,870
effect as time passed and I walked up

2093
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:23,720
stairs right yeah and the guy says you

2094
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:27,080
you walk six flights of stairs between

2095
01:37:38,540 --> 01:37:33,210
523 and 524 a.m. oh so like immediately

2096
01:37:42,050 --> 01:37:38,550
so then I trade up that measure he says

2097
01:37:43,730 --> 01:37:42,060
by changing barometric pressure he says

2098
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:43,740
I doubt you could climb six flights of

2099
01:37:47,930 --> 01:37:45,030
stairs in under a minute

2100
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:47,940
he said okay I could do it but he said

2101
01:37:58,580 --> 01:37:50,490
it looks to me like you were 60 feet

2102
01:38:00,590 --> 01:37:58,590
over your house at 524 a.m. that is

2103
01:38:03,110 --> 01:38:00,600
intense and just seeing like the proof

2104
01:38:04,850 --> 01:38:03,120
right in front of me I mean yeah the

2105
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:04,860
stories are already awesome but like

2106
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:06,450
seeing your screen captures or you

2107
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:10,550
imagine being the team old guy he had

2108
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:13,770
the t-mobile guy was pretty laid out I

2109
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:17,340
took it to app and the lady at Apple

2110
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:19,530
said oh you know it's probably something

2111
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:20,490
about the phone I'll run a diagnostic

2112
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:22,500
for you can you leave it and I'm like

2113
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:24,360
sure I'll leave it was Jim she says come

2114
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:26,010
back after 4:00 I have it ready for you

2115
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:30,570
and because I was going to say you know

2116
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:32,130
this is a warranty issue at this you

2117
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:34,410
know this thing is as a problem you know

2118
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:38,310
I want it fixed but you know when I knew

2119
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:39,990
there wasn't anything wrong to fall I

2120
01:38:46,010 --> 01:38:43,710
really didn't I just knew that yeah

2121
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:46,020
because it was just too coincidental

2122
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:51,690
that it would tie in with with my you

2123
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:53,100
know I'm believing that I'm never art

2124
01:38:58,700 --> 01:38:56,400
attack it just doesn't make sense like

2125
01:39:00,920 --> 01:38:58,710
okay I can I kick up my phone and the

2126
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:00,930
lady says I can't find any defect in

2127
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:03,570
your phone none whatsoever

2128
01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:08,430
there's nothing to fix oh so so it's not

2129
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:11,880
your phone no

2130
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:14,520
and so I said you know could I get could

2131
01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:17,760
I get that in writing please and again

2132
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:18,990
she says well that's a warranty issue

2133
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:20,940
and she says that's an issue we wouldn't

2134
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:24,840
want to get involved because she says

2135
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:27,240
you know who's to say you didn't put

2136
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:29,820
your phone on a drum and send it 60 feet

2137
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:32,580
up in the air you know okay your your

2138
01:39:38,570 --> 01:39:36,300
your your you know your you know it's

2139
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:38,580
proof but it's only anecdotal proof

2140
01:39:47,870 --> 01:39:40,860
right you know so yeah because I have

2141
01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:47,880
nothing better to do at 524 am stories

2142
01:39:54,740 --> 01:39:50,910
above - I didn't drop 800 bucks on an

2143
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,750
ambulance right in an ER visit and you

2144
01:39:59,540 --> 01:39:56,880
you included that that photo as well so

2145
01:40:02,900 --> 01:39:59,550
yeah it's I mean it's all right here so

2146
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:02,910
man as far as proof goes you've got the

2147
01:40:09,950 --> 01:40:07,650
paperwork to back it up so man that's

2148
01:40:13,070 --> 01:40:09,960
just it's it's just hearing you talk

2149
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:13,080
about it I mean I don't know it's it's

2150
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:15,690
so it seems like these these incidences

2151
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:18,900
just just kind of started picking up and

2152
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:22,710
you know it 2019 and then this so it's

2153
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:25,050
your first incident started in the 70s

2154
01:40:29,450 --> 01:40:27,450
and then did it just start to pick up

2155
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:29,460
recently or is it kind of been a steady

2156
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:33,450
stream so it it kicked up whenever I

2157
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:35,730
wrote the book oh really

2158
01:40:42,350 --> 01:40:40,320
I next month March 10th well Moe in two

2159
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:42,360
days two days my book will have been on

2160
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:50,210
Amazon for two years okay and you know

2161
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:53,460
within about 60 days after it puts a

2162
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,530
book on the market strange things

2163
01:41:01,150 --> 01:40:58,080
started to happen you know times a long

2164
01:41:05,330 --> 01:41:01,160
calls me up on a thought you know with

2165
01:41:09,740 --> 01:41:05,340
Lou Elizondo and the other guys from to

2166
01:41:14,150 --> 01:41:09,750
the Stars Academy yeah yeah want to talk

2167
01:41:16,940 --> 01:41:14,160
to me about my implant and then about a

2168
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:16,950
month after that I start getting these

2169
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:20,460
helicopters and it sounds cliche too but

2170
01:41:28,189 --> 01:41:25,650
yeah i i I showed some slides of it

2171
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:28,199
than my talk at San Francisco for the

2172
01:41:34,610 --> 01:41:30,449
first time yeah right I've got pictures

2173
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:34,620
of 189 helicopters flew over my house I

2174
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:37,560
gotta broke down by make model and a

2175
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:38,520
month

2176
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:42,239
damn and you know there were military

2177
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:45,120
helicopters Robertson r44 Robertson our

2178
01:41:52,189 --> 01:41:49,170
22s and Airbus 350 s that the Texas

2179
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:52,199
State Police use but these were all

2180
01:42:00,320 --> 01:41:56,070
painted black and white no markings on

2181
01:42:01,790 --> 01:42:00,330
them whatsoever the pilots they would

2182
01:42:03,979 --> 01:42:01,800
sometimes get clothes on if I could see

2183
01:42:06,380 --> 01:42:03,989
inside the pilots will wore white

2184
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:06,390
helmets now that's interesting because I

2185
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:11,730
have a friend my friend who I mentioned

2186
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:13,320
earlier actually the guy who teaches and

2187
01:42:18,530 --> 01:42:16,440
and teaches history he was a history

2188
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:18,540
professor he was in the army he was a

2189
01:42:23,209 --> 01:42:21,030
helicopter pilot in the army and his

2190
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:23,219
wife is a flight instructor okay

2191
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,280
helicopter flight instructor so I sent

2192
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:28,320
him I said well I got these helicopters

2193
01:42:31,970 --> 01:42:30,090
buzzing my house can you check these

2194
01:42:32,810 --> 01:42:31,980
photos out and tell me like who these

2195
01:42:37,850 --> 01:42:32,820
guys are

2196
01:42:39,919 --> 01:42:37,860
and I said of the helicopters he looked

2197
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:39,929
at them broke them down for me as far as

2198
01:42:45,410 --> 01:42:43,440
makin model and identified that most of

2199
01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:45,420
them had some kind of weird light

2200
01:42:51,050 --> 01:42:48,150
anomaly like a like a weird searchlight

2201
01:42:53,870 --> 01:42:51,060
thing attached to them okay and that was

2202
01:42:56,050 --> 01:42:53,880
part of my slideshow and he said it

2203
01:42:57,979 --> 01:42:56,060
doesn't belong in the aircraft

2204
01:43:01,820 --> 01:42:57,989
interesting and that's what made the

2205
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:01,830
observation that civilian pilots do not

2206
01:43:08,110 --> 01:43:05,210
wear helmets they consider it to being a

2207
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:08,120
hazard because it you know blacks there

2208
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:10,500
interferes with their view all right

2209
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:13,620
right okay so but military pilots are

2210
01:43:19,899 --> 01:43:17,580
required to wear helmets that's very

2211
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:19,909
interesting so it has to be I mean a

2212
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:22,800
military there was yeah

2213
01:43:26,419 --> 01:43:24,570
well it's obviously military because

2214
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:26,429
none of these helicopters had markings

2215
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:27,719
on them of any kind

2216
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:31,080
not a single not a that a number not a

2217
01:43:34,780 --> 01:43:32,730
letter nothing and they're supposed to I

2218
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:34,790
mean almost up the wall you know there's

2219
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:37,800
catified federal regulation 45 so you've

2220
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,510
got to display a large

2221
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:42,179
let you know the alphabetical symbol in

2222
01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:45,090
like Nancy right followed by a string of

2223
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:46,590
letters that identifying that particular

2224
01:43:51,229 --> 01:43:49,530
craft yeah and and there was there's

2225
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:51,239
nothing on these on these helicopters

2226
01:43:54,620 --> 01:43:53,340
nothing and then when I blown up the

2227
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:54,630
helicopter is trying to find

2228
01:43:59,870 --> 01:43:56,940
identification marks on them then I'm

2229
01:44:02,540 --> 01:43:59,880
finding UFOs in the background yeah yeah

2230
01:44:05,299 --> 01:44:02,550
the one I'm looking at that's pretty

2231
01:44:07,339 --> 01:44:05,309
good one yes you did yeah we're looking

2232
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:07,349
at it right now and it's pretty it's

2233
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:10,110
yeah it's pretty out there I mean it's

2234
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,449
it's right there yeah it's funny when

2235
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:14,340
you start looking at it in detail and

2236
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:17,489
then you see you see a UFO so I'm just

2237
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:19,650
curious like all types of things are

2238
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:20,820
going through my head but like do you

2239
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:23,280
think that UFO was just hanging out and

2240
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:25,320
you know kind of watching you and then

2241
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:27,510
and then the the helicopter showed up or

2242
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,440
did the helicopter show up - it's crazy

2243
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:33,840
they were like on a schedule I swear to

2244
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:37,320
God they came three or four times a week

2245
01:44:41,330 --> 01:44:39,570
I mean you know and at first it was kind

2246
01:44:43,009 --> 01:44:41,340
of funny it was kind of a joke but you

2247
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:43,019
know it kind of wore us down

2248
01:44:48,580 --> 01:44:46,130
it really did it ah I can imagine and

2249
01:44:52,009 --> 01:44:48,590
you know it's this time of the morning

2250
01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:52,019
to go out and photograph them I had a

2251
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,820
big tree in front of my house and I

2252
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:55,650
would had the Morning Sun right next to

2253
01:44:57,890 --> 01:44:55,920
him

2254
01:45:01,549 --> 01:44:57,900
so my field of view was really limited

2255
01:45:04,129 --> 01:45:01,559
to 180 degrees and these helicopters can

2256
01:45:05,899 --> 01:45:04,139
come I mean they would buzz my house it

2257
01:45:11,149 --> 01:45:05,909
could you know do donuts around my house

2258
01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:11,159
and and then like I say then I don't

2259
01:45:14,509 --> 01:45:12,840
know if the UFOs were chasing the

2260
01:45:16,970 --> 01:45:14,519
helicopters are the helicopters chasing

2261
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,980
the UFOs right or if they were there on

2262
01:45:22,549 --> 01:45:19,679
a joint mission I don't know you know so

2263
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:22,559
in we're all these helicopter incidences

2264
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:24,210
during the day or were there some at

2265
01:45:30,140 --> 01:45:26,550
night that took place there were only

2266
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:30,150
two at night okay wait - at night sound

2267
01:45:35,299 --> 01:45:32,610
I have a question about that so the ones

2268
01:45:37,790 --> 01:45:35,309
at night did the helicopters have the

2269
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:37,800
flashing lights or did they have any cut

2270
01:45:43,009 --> 01:45:39,570
- kind of lights on it you know like

2271
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:43,019
there's there's a FFA yeah be good okay

2272
01:45:48,140 --> 01:45:45,510
they did okay that they have to have the

2273
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:48,150
flashing red light okay so they

2274
01:45:53,370 --> 01:45:51,000
definitely did this had a flashing red

2275
01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:53,380
light underneath and it had

2276
01:45:59,520 --> 01:45:55,660
flashing light that I think was white on

2277
01:46:02,370 --> 01:45:59,530
the tail okay and it also had this what

2278
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:02,380
what my what dr. Bruce calls a light

2279
01:46:08,220 --> 01:46:04,840
anomaly it also had this large maybe two

2280
01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:08,230
foot wide disc that was just slightly

2281
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:09,910
illuminated just slightly glowing

2282
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,690
attached to the booth of the thing sorry

2283
01:46:19,470 --> 01:46:16,000
me and we saw that all that twice like

2284
01:46:21,150 --> 01:46:19,480
around midnight oh but it was all over

2285
01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:21,160
our house and so obviously you could

2286
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:24,310
feel and hear it and stuff yeah oh yeah

2287
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:27,730
yeah I I'm just this is just something

2288
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:30,130
random about some of my experiences but

2289
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:32,530
me at me and my wife of both both

2290
01:46:38,730 --> 01:46:34,930
witnesses witnessed helicopters in the

2291
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:38,740
Austin area at night with no like no

2292
01:46:43,290 --> 01:46:41,440
lights but one single no flashing lights

2293
01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:43,300
but one single red light in the front

2294
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:46,270
and it's it's just this you know you can

2295
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:48,010
hear it it's a helicopter obviously

2296
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:49,930
there wasn't over the house it was like

2297
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:52,270
in the city but there there are those

2298
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:53,760
there's there's something going on with

2299
01:46:58,230 --> 01:46:56,770
helicopters that don't have to have that

2300
01:47:01,290 --> 01:46:58,240
flashing light which tells me it's

2301
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:01,300
probably something military or as well

2302
01:47:07,140 --> 01:47:04,170
as curious to ask for you out about the

2303
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:07,150
law if I went as far as to call the FAA

2304
01:47:12,660 --> 01:47:10,090
and I'm like look you know if there if

2305
01:47:14,010 --> 01:47:12,670
there are if they are governor he didn't

2306
01:47:18,150 --> 01:47:14,020
use the word military said if they are

2307
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,160
government they're exempt right and that

2308
01:47:24,930 --> 01:47:20,800
can mean anything like any program right

2309
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:24,940
yep yeah yeah they could say like it's

2310
01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:34,710
Department yep yeah that's insane so I

2311
01:47:39,630 --> 01:47:37,660
think like as you were saying it is kind

2312
01:47:43,140 --> 01:47:39,640
of a different time now you know you've

2313
01:47:47,550 --> 01:47:43,150
been contacted by T TSA Lou Elizondo you

2314
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:47,560
know and all these guys so other than

2315
01:47:54,660 --> 01:47:51,580
your your your encounter when you were

2316
01:47:58,380 --> 01:47:54,670
in the hospital after your Devil's Den

2317
01:48:00,570 --> 01:47:58,390
incident you've had these what we assume

2318
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:00,580
to be military helicopters flying around

2319
01:48:06,529 --> 01:48:03,600
your house have any other like

2320
01:48:09,500 --> 01:48:06,539
organizations military wise or may

2321
01:48:12,859 --> 01:48:09,510
like secret military wise like tried to

2322
01:48:16,909 --> 01:48:12,869
contact you about this other than like T

2323
01:48:18,319 --> 01:48:16,919
TSA in these helicopters no no nobody

2324
01:48:21,049 --> 01:48:18,329
from the government nobody from the

2325
01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:21,059
government's contacted me now I did have

2326
01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:24,030
an odd experience in my old neighborhood

2327
01:48:29,389 --> 01:48:26,699
we sold our home you know my life didn't

2328
01:48:32,929 --> 01:48:29,399
intended to stay in we sold our home and

2329
01:48:34,899 --> 01:48:32,939
moved and the first morning in our new

2330
01:48:37,759 --> 01:48:34,909
house right

2331
01:48:39,889 --> 01:48:37,769
nine o'clock straight up I hear thump

2332
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:39,899
thump thump thump thump thump and my

2333
01:48:44,929 --> 01:48:42,179
wife wakes up and she's like oh no I'm

2334
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:44,939
like yeah I went outside and there is

2335
01:48:50,959 --> 01:48:48,030
400 feet over our house was huge I love

2336
01:48:52,879 --> 01:48:50,969
grant helicopter and it sees me come out

2337
01:48:55,789 --> 01:48:52,889
the door you know with my camera in my

2338
01:48:57,949 --> 01:48:55,799
hand and it peels off to the right and

2339
01:48:59,659 --> 01:48:57,959
it was just kind of like yeah we're we

2340
01:49:04,129 --> 01:48:59,669
don't worry rat we got me and I think

2341
01:49:05,659 --> 01:49:04,139
that was the message yeah damn man

2342
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:05,669
so they don't even need to make direct

2343
01:49:11,689 --> 01:49:07,530
contact they know where you're at

2344
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:11,699
already yeah and by TTS a is kind of

2345
01:49:16,429 --> 01:49:15,179
just like this almost like a like a like

2346
01:49:18,139 --> 01:49:16,439
a front for the people behind the

2347
01:49:20,389 --> 01:49:18,149
curtain you know like they do the

2348
01:49:21,889 --> 01:49:20,399
interviews they do the contact you know

2349
01:49:24,829 --> 01:49:21,899
they help people with whatever they need

2350
01:49:27,969 --> 01:49:24,839
help with that's Beth that's really

2351
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:27,979
interesting usually I have I'm curious

2352
01:49:33,409 --> 01:49:31,409
Terry if so we in your experience what

2353
01:49:36,379 --> 01:49:33,419
was it you spoke of a phone call that

2354
01:49:37,759 --> 01:49:36,389
you had with Lou Lou Elizondo and we've

2355
01:49:39,739 --> 01:49:37,769
heard you know through the grapevine

2356
01:49:41,719 --> 01:49:39,749
that they've actually come out and and

2357
01:49:44,029 --> 01:49:41,729
and talked to people in person and done

2358
01:49:45,949 --> 01:49:44,039
tests on some of you know some people's

2359
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:45,959
implants have they scheduled anything

2360
01:49:51,979 --> 01:49:48,510
they could oh they did yeah Lou Lou is

2361
01:49:57,500 --> 01:49:51,989
at my house June of last year okay and

2362
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,510
spent two days and coincidentally a and

2363
01:50:02,869 --> 01:50:00,239
E with Lou Elizondo was supposed to be

2364
01:50:06,199 --> 01:50:02,879
here Wednesday of this week oh wow

2365
01:50:09,619 --> 01:50:06,209
coming up awesome and they cancelled on

2366
01:50:15,469 --> 01:50:09,629
Friday because AME has a policy about

2367
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:15,479
you know travel with the coronavirus so

2368
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:17,010
they said well we're going to postpone

2369
01:50:21,540 --> 01:50:18,250
it but

2370
01:50:23,070 --> 01:50:21,550
we'll reschedule so good yeah that's

2371
01:50:24,420 --> 01:50:23,080
good almost I was thinking maybe they

2372
01:50:26,970 --> 01:50:24,430
found out you were coming on our podcast

2373
01:50:31,620 --> 01:50:26,980
nah we'll just get all the information

2374
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:31,630
from UFO garage guys yeah they did warn

2375
01:50:48,660 --> 01:50:45,370
me about your pretty squared up guy you

2376
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:48,670
know yeah he's real nice a little bit of

2377
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:54,940
a troublemaker sometimes okay I'm gonna

2378
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:57,520
let you guys go I can't my wife has made

2379
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:58,960
me dinner yeah absolutely

2380
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:02,080
I'm gonna go read no it's good man

2381
01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:05,410
well it's been an absolute pleasure to

2382
01:51:09,390 --> 01:51:07,420
speak with you man one of your your

2383
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:09,400
story has has kind of been one of my

2384
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:10,450
favorites

2385
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:13,600
up to now work on the same in the fact

2386
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:15,730
that we kind of both just entered this

2387
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:19,690
this arena of you know the UFO field a

2388
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,330
little bit and I mean it's it's

2389
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:23,920
incredible that that we're getting to

2390
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:25,810
talk to you man because it's like I said

2391
01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:27,370
it's been one of my favorite stories so

2392
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:29,680
far and I really enjoyed it

2393
01:51:34,530 --> 01:51:31,450
do you have anything that you would like

2394
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:34,540
to plug your website your book all that

2395
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:36,610
stuff before you go you know what yeah I

2396
01:51:39,420 --> 01:51:38,080
would like I would like to tell your

2397
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:39,430
listeners that they'd like to read my

2398
01:51:46,740 --> 01:51:42,850
book it's incident at Devil's Den it's

2399
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:46,750
on Amazon and it's available in a cheap

2400
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:49,510
Kindle version or paperback that has the

2401
01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:52,810
photographs in it and the x-rays or

2402
01:51:57,150 --> 01:51:55,510
there's an audio book that I did I was

2403
01:51:58,350 --> 01:51:57,160
told to get a voice artist but I didn't

2404
01:52:03,000 --> 01:51:58,360
want to do that I wanted to tell a story

2405
01:52:06,030 --> 01:52:03,010
myself yes I love that that's awesome so

2406
01:52:08,250 --> 01:52:06,040
so yeah look it up and you know people

2407
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,260
are going to be staying home more so get

2408
01:52:12,990 --> 01:52:11,440
something to wear are you gonna be

2409
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:13,000
speaking at next you have another

2410
01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:15,730
conference coming up soon yeah I do

2411
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:19,750
Ozark Publishing has this is the one

2412
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:21,250
that David Politis is going to be in

2413
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:23,110
Eureka Springs Arkansas

2414
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:27,280
April 9th 312 I'll be down there and

2415
01:52:31,819 --> 01:52:29,770
speaking and I'll have some books with

2416
01:52:34,530 --> 01:52:31,829
me and

2417
01:52:35,459 --> 01:52:34,540
you know talk to anybody to answer any

2418
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:35,469
questions

2419
01:52:38,399 --> 01:52:37,360
love to hear your stories if you if

2420
01:52:42,300 --> 01:52:38,409
you're there and you want to come by

2421
01:52:44,339 --> 01:52:42,310
please do also oh yeah yeah well thank

2422
01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:44,349
you so much Manny this has been this is

2423
01:52:49,379 --> 01:52:47,380
my new favorite story of all time now so

2424
01:52:57,089 --> 01:52:49,389
thank you so much for being on the show

2425
01:52:58,169 --> 01:52:57,099
man that's my favorite podcast all right

2426
01:53:02,569 --> 01:52:58,179
sounds good

2427
01:53:07,140 --> 01:53:02,579
all right I'll talk to you later bye

2428
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:07,150
whoa yeah I mean every time we finish a

2429
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:09,010
conversation with somebody I know like

2430
01:53:12,750 --> 01:53:10,719
our reactions are kind of probably the

2431
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:12,760
same every time but it was like every

2432
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:15,489
single one that we do is just more and

2433
01:53:25,979 --> 01:53:19,510
more like mind-blowing uh every time

2434
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:25,989
it's like dude I met you met Terry at

2435
01:53:31,319 --> 01:53:28,690
your folk on I had no idea who he was

2436
01:53:32,879 --> 01:53:31,329
you just I mean you were really

2437
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:32,889
fascinated in this story and I hadn't

2438
01:53:35,790 --> 01:53:34,810
heard it and I felt kind of bad like hey

2439
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:35,800
give me the cliff notes

2440
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,810
yeah but I'm glad you didn't divulge too

2441
01:53:41,370 --> 01:53:39,280
much information cuz hearing it for the

2442
01:53:43,229 --> 01:53:41,380
first time was really awesome from from

2443
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:43,239
the you know the horse's mouth yeah that

2444
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:46,719
was yeah it's a great story and there's

2445
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:47,920
more to it too

2446
01:53:51,959 --> 01:53:50,050
yeah and we didn't even I mean we

2447
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:51,969
scratch the surface we got pretty deep

2448
01:53:56,069 --> 01:53:54,010
in there but there's more yeah there's

2449
01:53:58,319 --> 01:53:56,079
more yeah and it's continuously

2450
01:54:00,359 --> 01:53:58,329
happening yeah so he's somebody that we

2451
01:54:03,419 --> 01:54:00,369
can definitely have on the show again

2452
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:03,429
you know like and just kind of stay

2453
01:54:07,939 --> 01:54:06,010
updated with them cuz it seems to be

2454
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:07,949
happening still I mean we got one in

2455
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:12,130
2019 yeah April of 2019 right you know

2456
01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:16,570
dude uh I'm just so glad we got to even

2457
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:18,369
have him on the show man like yeah we

2458
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:20,170
got to talk to this guy like that was

2459
01:54:24,089 --> 01:54:22,150
that's really cool it is super cool yeah

2460
01:54:26,430 --> 01:54:24,099
I would love to keep keep in touch with

2461
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:26,440
him and you know get updated that'd be

2462
01:54:28,770 --> 01:54:26,800
awesome

2463
01:54:30,450 --> 01:54:28,780
definitely definitely and once again

2464
01:54:32,069 --> 01:54:30,460
guys if you all haven't checked it out

2465
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:32,079
yet definitely check it out

2466
01:54:36,990 --> 01:54:35,290
incident Devil's Den dude it's been a

2467
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:37,000
it's been a great read it's been

2468
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,010
something that it's kept me interested

2469
01:54:43,530 --> 01:54:40,960
like I was telling you man a lot of

2470
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,540
times when I read stuff I'm reading it

2471
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:45,040
for like you know it seems like it's

2472
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:45,520
like I'm

2473
01:54:51,540 --> 01:54:48,400
but I'm just like putting information in

2474
01:54:54,180 --> 01:54:51,550
my head but this has been like a story

2475
01:54:56,130 --> 01:54:54,190
that like puts you like in the place

2476
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:56,140
like like even him like telling the

2477
01:55:00,090 --> 01:54:57,760
stories he was really good at telling

2478
01:55:02,490 --> 01:55:00,100
stories yeah and I feel like he portrays

2479
01:55:04,530 --> 01:55:02,500
that really well like in the book like

2480
01:55:06,330 --> 01:55:04,540
very rarely do I read a book and I get

2481
01:55:10,050 --> 01:55:06,340
like the creeps you know what I'm saying

2482
01:55:11,970 --> 01:55:10,060
but I mean he's got a very interesting

2483
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:11,980
story even stuff that happened to him

2484
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:13,570
when he was younger that we didn't

2485
01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:16,090
really get into on the podcast but if

2486
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:17,260
you want to know about that

2487
01:55:21,570 --> 01:55:19,630
listen to his audiobook maybe pick up

2488
01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:21,580
the book it I mean you won't regret it

2489
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:24,580
it's really really awesome yeah so man

2490
01:55:30,030 --> 01:55:27,040
that was awesome dude yeah it was great

2491
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:30,040
it was great dude yes well sweet dude

2492
01:55:34,020 --> 01:55:31,210
yeah

2493
01:55:35,670 --> 01:55:34,030
do we have anybody that we can plug that

2494
01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:35,680
what's coming up next that we can think

2495
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:42,190
I'm sorry I can't remember yeah so we

2496
01:55:47,940 --> 01:55:45,970
had Vivian on we had Vivian on

2497
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:47,950
so this Thursday we're gonna be having

2498
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:50,410
her fiance Peter yeah on and he's the

2499
01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:54,310
guy who makes the actual necklaces that

2500
01:56:00,810 --> 01:55:56,470
I was wearing in that video and so we're

2501
01:56:04,710 --> 01:56:00,820
gonna be talking to him I mean other

2502
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:04,720
than him making the necklaces and being

2503
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:07,050
in contact with the Archangel Metatron

2504
01:56:13,230 --> 01:56:10,810
Metatron right that's really all I know

2505
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:13,240
so I'm really interested to talk to him

2506
01:56:18,060 --> 01:56:16,810
and kind of see you know how how this

2507
01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:18,070
happened to him yeah

2508
01:56:22,620 --> 01:56:19,630
you know that's gonna be an interesting

2509
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:22,630
story so I'm super stoked to have have

2510
01:56:28,590 --> 01:56:25,210
him on yeah and I get to talk to him and

2511
01:56:30,540 --> 01:56:28,600
yeah yeah that's custom I mean they're

2512
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:30,550
just both of those people were super

2513
01:56:36,150 --> 01:56:33,070
chill and awesome like they wives so I'm

2514
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,160
excited to talk to they absolutely work

2515
01:56:41,250 --> 01:56:38,560
yeah absolutely word man so yeah we'll

2516
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:41,260
get some of these these images that

2517
01:56:46,740 --> 01:56:44,530
Terry sent us up on the maybe we can do

2518
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:46,750
the site and we can do Facebook yeah and

2519
01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:49,330
I'll do the YouTube video I'll splice in

2520
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:51,910
the images to definitely definitely so

2521
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:54,490
it'll also be up on YouTube guys don't

2522
01:57:01,900 --> 01:56:57,410
forget to go check out abduction 51

2523
01:57:04,090 --> 01:57:01,910
and go check out the threads baby from

2524
01:57:06,580 --> 01:57:04,100
across the pond and also don't forget to

2525
01:57:07,870 --> 01:57:06,590
go check out Phoenix shaving and Phoenix

2526
01:57:09,970 --> 01:57:07,880
shaving dot-com

2527
01:57:14,350 --> 01:57:09,980
they've got all your facial hair and

2528
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:14,360
shaving needs yeah man I need a shave

2529
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:17,170
yeah you need to shave that beard going

2530
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:20,690
well that's why if you grow like a real

2531
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:25,610
beard then you can hide the neck beard

2532
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:27,440
oh I can't even grow sideburns

2533
01:57:31,390 --> 01:57:29,270
I'll be honest with you dude I'm a I'm a

2534
01:57:33,190 --> 01:57:31,400
like trim up and shave like once every

2535
01:57:36,910 --> 01:57:33,200
two months yeah which is kind of

2536
01:57:40,570 --> 01:57:36,920
ridiculous neck yeah shave okay I never

2537
01:57:43,690 --> 01:57:40,580
never see your necks yeah and I just

2538
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:43,700
honestly never think about it but oh

2539
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:46,490
with Phoenix shaving you can get a nice

2540
01:57:50,980 --> 01:57:49,010
clean shave oh yeah oh yeah one thing

2541
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:50,990
that does get used all the time is my

2542
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:53,930
beard cream my beard oil and my beard

2543
01:58:00,730 --> 01:57:56,810
soaps crimes and lashings crumbs and

2544
01:58:04,750 --> 01:58:00,740
lashing wraps and lashes Jack Blackie

2545
01:58:07,060 --> 01:58:04,760
does the episode of cramps lashes that's

2546
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:07,070
great and

2547
01:58:13,210 --> 01:58:09,890
most importantly don't forget to check

2548
01:58:15,790 --> 01:58:13,220
out UFO garage cc.com got some friend

2549
01:58:18,250 --> 01:58:15,800
yeah we got some new shirts bro you made

2550
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:18,260
a v-neck I've made a v-neck bro you made

2551
01:58:21,940 --> 01:58:20,480
a v-neck this I don't know if you guys

2552
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:21,950
know that but this fools neck is so

2553
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:24,170
sensitive it is he's gotta wear v-neck

2554
01:58:29,770 --> 01:58:27,290
sometimes that's true it's a very very

2555
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:29,780
sensitive neck that's right who doesn't

2556
01:58:36,430 --> 01:58:34,970
shave yeah we got that one in the one

2557
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:36,440
you were wearing on the last episode so

2558
01:58:40,540 --> 01:58:38,480
it now you changed it though right to

2559
01:58:43,270 --> 01:58:40,550
the Impala across the front with UFO

2560
01:58:47,170 --> 01:58:43,280
garage I made another one so there's you

2561
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:47,180
there's two Phoenix now yeah so the the

2562
01:58:51,460 --> 01:58:49,490
the second one it's it shows up on the

2563
01:58:53,290 --> 01:58:51,470
website so it's the black v-neck on the

2564
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:53,300
back it's really big the Impala and then

2565
01:58:56,500 --> 01:58:54,890
the logo there's nothing on the front

2566
01:58:58,480 --> 01:58:56,510
cuz I don't like [\h__\h] on the front

2567
01:59:00,040 --> 01:58:58,490
usually of my shirts that I wear so I

2568
01:59:02,290 --> 01:59:00,050
wanted a blank shirt but with like

2569
01:59:04,630 --> 01:59:02,300
represent them on the back cool yeah

2570
01:59:06,490 --> 01:59:04,640
cool awesome man that sounds good

2571
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:06,500
oh dude it's about to be summertime so

2572
01:59:09,610 --> 01:59:07,760
we might have to bring the tank tops

2573
01:59:11,710 --> 01:59:09,620
back oh [\h__\h]

2574
01:59:13,930 --> 01:59:11,720
because we sold so many of our banned

2575
01:59:16,690 --> 01:59:13,940
tank tops that one time well we did have

2576
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:16,700
a tank top on the on the old one that

2577
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:19,370
you had made so we should throw that

2578
01:59:23,530 --> 01:59:21,110
back up on there again consumed summer

2579
01:59:25,390 --> 01:59:23,540
times right around the corner and we

2580
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:25,400
know sometimes rocking a hoodie or a

2581
01:59:29,230 --> 01:59:27,290
t-shirt can get a little warm in the

2582
01:59:31,300 --> 01:59:29,240
summertime depending on where you are I

2583
01:59:33,330 --> 01:59:31,310
know down here in Texas dude I'm sweaty

2584
01:59:37,150 --> 01:59:33,340
yeah you look sweaty

2585
01:59:39,370 --> 01:59:37,160
so yeah dude we'll throw those back up

2586
01:59:43,060 --> 01:59:39,380
there for you guys hell yeah but yeah

2587
01:59:45,220 --> 01:59:43,070
you can find all the episodes all of our

2588
01:59:48,340 --> 01:59:45,230
affiliates and pictures of our pretty

2589
01:59:50,590 --> 01:59:48,350
faces and also pictures that have been

2590
01:59:52,270 --> 01:59:50,600
you know given to us by like our guests

2591
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:52,280
and stuff so definitely go check those

2592
01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:55,250
out on the website UFO garage PC comm

2593
01:59:58,780 --> 01:59:57,110
hell yeah hey and if you guys have a

2594
02:00:00,730 --> 01:59:58,790
story anybody listening out there that's

2595
02:00:05,890 --> 02:00:00,740
had an experience feel free to email us

2596
02:00:08,380 --> 02:00:05,900
at UFO garage PC at gmail.com cuz man

2597
02:00:09,940 --> 02:00:08,390
we're always looking for awesome stories

2598
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:09,950
you've had a few people reach out on

2599
02:00:15,100 --> 02:00:12,560
Facebook on the group we've got the UFO

2600
02:00:17,620 --> 02:00:15,110
garage podcast group and you know

2601
02:00:19,780 --> 02:00:17,630
everybody's talking back and forth about

2602
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:19,790
their own experiences or just posting

2603
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:22,370
funny photos yeah but if you guys that

2604
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:23,810
are listening out there if you all have

2605
02:00:26,890 --> 02:00:25,370
an experience or know somebody in your

2606
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:26,900
town that's had an experience I want to

2607
02:00:29,410 --> 02:00:27,440
share it

2608
02:00:31,090 --> 02:00:29,420
email us cuz I mean that's what this

2609
02:00:32,710 --> 02:00:31,100
podcast is all about is sharing these

2610
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:32,720
stories yeah I'm definitely like to

2611
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:34,610
contact maybe some of our listeners like

2612
02:00:39,460 --> 02:00:37,010
I know creates been posting some stuff

2613
02:00:41,470 --> 02:00:39,470
yeah Dakota's posted some things right I

2614
02:00:43,870 --> 02:00:41,480
want to talk to her too Chris had

2615
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:43,880
reached out to us and I was talking

2616
02:00:48,610 --> 02:00:46,070
about wanting to maybe talk about his

2617
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:48,620
experience yeah so you know we'd love to

2618
02:00:53,140 --> 02:00:51,290
get to get you guys on no I'm and talk

2619
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:53,150
to y'all because I mean that's you know

2620
02:00:56,860 --> 02:00:54,770
that's why we do this in the first place

2621
02:00:59,650 --> 02:00:56,870
it's not always about you know the the

2622
02:01:00,850 --> 02:00:59,660
big speakers and stuff but I mean

2623
02:01:02,770 --> 02:01:00,860
there's just regular everyday people

2624
02:01:05,980 --> 02:01:02,780
just like us who have these experiences

2625
02:01:07,390 --> 02:01:05,990
and we want to want everybody to know

2626
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:07,400
about it if you want people to know

2627
02:01:11,530 --> 02:01:09,170
about it so definitely hit us up and let

2628
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us know right yeah awesome man